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Evidence provided by Vsmith[edit]

JonGwynne has yet to respond to the request. However, he just added the following comment:

I notice you didn't answer the question William. Don't you have anything better to do that act like a jerk and then complain about people who call you on it?--JonGwynne 17:16, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)

to the Wikipedia:Requests for comment/JonGwynne page [2] -Vsmith 18:51, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)

If you'll notice, I was responding to a comment made by another person. Vsmith is quoting me out of context.--JonGwynne 02:18, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)
(William M. Connolley 09:47, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)) The evidence is in context; this is yet another pointless insult from JG.

I present the discusion at Talk:Medieval Warm Period, in particular the sections: WMC playing partisan games again and Time for civility.The post by William M. Connolley 15:20, 17 Feb 2005 called for an end to incivility to which I added a follow-up post. JonGwynne responded in a typically rude and uncivil manner. His response to my discussion of what civil discourse consists of, indicates a lack of comprehension on his part or a simple unwillingness to abide by the rules. In particular he found my comment Civility also includes fair, honest and descriptive edit summaries. to be puzzeling - suggesting to me that the concepts of fairness, honesty, and trust are not important to him and deceptive edit summaries are somehow OK. Vsmith 14:02, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Evidence presented by William M. Connolley[edit]

Sorry, the wikicrash has delayed all this. Evidence a bit later: in the meantime I've commented on JG's response: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/JonGwynne/Response to JG.

In addition to the evidence presented in the original complaint:

Gratuitous incivility[edit]

Failure to abide by community norms[edit]

  • JG has had 4 recent 3RR bans: [4] [5] [6] [7] (at the latter Geni said: the fourth is questionable (or would be for anyone else (JonGwynne is clearly gameing the system)); and in my opinion should have had a fifth [8].
  • On various articles, but most obviously carbon dioxide (hist) and greenhouse gas, JG has pushed his POV despite an "editing consensus" against him. Discussion does no good.
  • Deceptive edit summaries. JG uses these frequently: see [9] for examples.

POV pushing[edit]

JG is clearly a "global warming skeptic". In and of itself, there is nothing much wrong with that: several other editors here who I respect and cooperate with (most obviously User:Silverback) would probably accept the label of skeptic. However, JG consistently edits towards minimising anything that looks like it might make CO2 (or any other man-made gas) important and maximises the effects of natural GHG's (water vapour).

  • On carbon dioxide (which ended up being protected because of him) he puts forward edits like [10], [11], [12]. In these edits, he is trying to get his figure of "0.01%" into the article, whilst at other times [13] he tries to remove the about 40% figure. The 40% figure is the percentage increase in CO2 in the atmosphere: its relevant and useful (so say all contributors except JG). The 0.01% figure is the increase in CO2 expressed as a percentage of atmospheric mass. Its irrelevant and useless (ditto). Moreover, its not used in the outside world and therefore amounts to original research. I've pointed this out [14] but JG has conspicously failed to answer. On global warming he has removed perfectly valid and relevant statements, purely because to him they look like POV [15], [16] because they suggest that CO2 is important.
  • greenhouse gas: JG has constantly reverted versions which show the increase of various GHG's as a percentage ([17], [18], etc etc) leading to the page being protected, briefly. In these edits he has also, in general, preferred a version with even the most minor gases listed: this is a more minor matter, but it looks to me like he was trying to bury the important information in detail. Finally he deleted the entire table [19], which no-one agreed with.
  • The role of water vapo(u)r. Preamble: Water vapour is a greenhouse gas, and in terms of total contribution it is numerically the largest. However, it is not *dominant* because it acts as a feedback, rather than a driver (see my blog [20] if you care to). Substance: JG has consistently edited to try to maximise the role of WV, in order to minimise the effects of CO2. On GHG, he has removed a perfectly valid quote from an IPCC lead author [21]; on global warming he has consistently tried to introduce the text Though the majority of the greenhouse effect is caused by water vapor which is non-anthropogenic. [22], [23], etc etc. Note that the text he is introducing is true, but misleading - a concept that JG has had trouble understanding [24]. In considering the forcing of global warming WV is passive.
I fully endorse this section. It is an exact summary of my observations and thoughts about User:JonGwynne.--Stephan Schulz 22:54, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)

RFC's[edit]

Some mention needs to be made of the RFC's Wikipedia:Requests for comment/JonGwynne and Wikipedia:Requests for comment/William M. Connolley. I don't think that these get formally voted on, but I "won" them both numerically: 4.5 to 2 on JG; and 11.5 to 7.5 on WMC (I'm counting partials as halves). However, they made no difference to his editing behaviour (I assert that I have softened mine somewhat). I'd also like to draw the attention of the arbitrators to the strong statements in my support on the RFC: [25] and the "outside view"s.

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