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Overhaul[edit]

I've overhauled the text, removing uncited material and adding new stuff, with citations. Comments on the revised text cordially invited here. Tim riley talk 22:32, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know how you do it Tim; your edits have certainly constituted a massive improvement! I do wonder a few things:

Is "who signed his name Erik Satie after 1884" even needed? I'm not sure I understand the need for clarification
I feel that his incipient exploration into minimalism should be included, the term itself I mean, as I know many look back at him as the founding father of the style
The minimalism note above and his Furniture music "invention" seem worth mentioning in a the lead
Of course, a small influence or legacy section could be included discussing such innovations as the above, and perhaps his impact on Cage and visual arts that the Grove article touches on.

Just some thoughts. Aza24 (talk) 21:54, 19 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much for the above, Aza24. I've added something to the Lead and the Works section about minimalism. Do beef the latter up if so inclined (or any other bit, too, of course). I'm not sure I think the furniture music belongs in the lead. It isn't really what he's known for, I feel, though I am open to conviction on the point. I inherited the line about his signing his name as Erik after 1884 but I thought it was worthwhile keeping to make it plain that the spelling "Eric" in the opening words of the lead is not an error. People can be very hard to convince sometimes: the trouble our predecessors had in getting one strenuously disbelieving editor to realise that Poulenc was not François! – Tim riley talk 10:55, 20 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Better source for quote about the Conservatoire[edit]

The sentence "un vaste bâtiment très inconfortable et assez vilain à voir – une sorte de local pénitencier sans aucun agrément extérieur – ni intérieur du reste" (in the section "Early years", note 2) is currently cited to Lajoinie. However, Lajoinie doesn't give a source for this, as far as I could tell. The sentence comes from Satie's Écrits : réunis, établis et présentés par Ornella Volta, Éditions Champ libre, 1981, p. 67, from a piece about Claude Debussy. I can't figure out how the ref template works, so I would appreciate it if someone else could change this. --92.72.2.121 (talk) 13:09, 19 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you – that's a tweak worth making, I think, and now duly done. Tim riley talk 13:28, 19 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Stop removing infoboxes for composers[edit]

It bugs me SO MUCH that whenever I visit a composer's wikipedia page, and there's no infobox. It looks nice, it's standardized across wikipedia, but for some reason composers are the exception. Why? Because you nerds overthink things and remove it. I'm sorry for being rude, but it's 100% true. It does not matter how much "logic" there is behind removing the infobox, the average reader visits this page and immediately goes, "wow, I wonder why this page is so ugly, oh, it's because there's no infobox". I never write suggestions but this really peeved me. 2607:F598:B40A:E0:8C8D:8D65:C23B:DC6B (talk) 03:33, 10 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm afraid it's 100% true that you have your facts wrong. Info-boxes are not standardised across Wikipedia. Wikipedia's agreed policy is that they are useful for some articles and not others, and it is matter for consensus in each article. If you want to try to change Wikipedia's policy to make info-boxes compulsory, please feel free to propose it. Tim riley talk 07:28, 10 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It is indeed strange. However, you won't have much luck, as most articles on classical music are written by a small group of editors who feel extremely strongly about not including info boxes. I believe you may have encountered some of them already. Because they know each other well and have been prolific contributors for years, each proposal will be immediately stonewalled and the subsequent "consensus" is easy to predict. Even though there is supposed to be no WP:OWNERSHIP over articles, it is near impossible to change this trend. Arguing is exhausting and pointless. Ppt91 ^talk 04:12, 10 January 2024 (UTC) Ppt91 ^talk 04:12, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]