Talk:Principality of Sealand

Wrong Latin in motto... (For those who care)

Hi there, just wanted to point out that, given that "e(x)" goes with the ablative case and the ablative singular of "mare" is "mari", the Latin in the motto should be "E mari Libertas", not "E mare Libertas". As we are all aware that His Royal Highness' family is century-old, meaning that there might be some sort of medieval history behind this "e mare" which I am not aware of and from which the current motto is derived, let it be on my head! But if His Royal Highness cares about the proper Latin in his nation's most renowned motto, I suggest he changed it for the sake of his people.

Explanation: Mare is a neutral word of the third declension. In Latin third declension words, generally speaking, have the ablative ending "-e". But since mare (stem: mar-) ends with an -e in the nominative case and on top of that is a neutral word, meaning that the accusative case is also spelled "mare" (as opposed to (the hypothetical masculine/feminine) "marem"), the regular "mare" exceptionally becomes "mari" in order to distinguish the form of the ablative case from the nominative and accusative cases. This is as far classical Latin goes, anyways.

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Important People and Titles in Sealand

Could a section or table be added to show Dukes and Knights and whatnot of Sealand?

The swimmer is mentioned to be knighted, and the guy from Nas Daily was recently made a duke, too. 4rkange1 (talk) 09:51, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

"Important" isn't defined by people involved with Sealand. It's defined by secondary, reliable sources. --Hammersoft (talk) 12:59, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

It may be useful to add info in the business operations section about the sales of the titles, and some names of notable "nobility" could be mentioned, I think Ed Sheeran is a viscount or something. From there it could be expanded into its own section if needed. Madeinlondon2023 (talk) 16:10, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

...if it's supported by secondary, reliable sources. --Hammersoft (talk) 16:26, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Notable People Who Own Sealand Titles

There seems to be a lot of edits on the sentence in business operations about Sealand's titles and a few celebrities who own them. I originally added this sentence "The principality also sells noble titles on its online store, such as Lord and Baron. Some notable individuals who possess titles from Sealand include Ed Sheeran and Nas Daily." Which had sources for both individuals at the end. I have recently seen that there are a lot of edits regarding this topic, first with Ben Stokes being added to the list of individuals with no source, and now some BBC presenters, also unsourced. I think the general topic is notable enough as it generates a share of Sealand's publicity (especially the Ed Sheeran claim as he is very famous), but there needs to be some consensus about this section in the article, especially as the list of unsourced celebrities who are being added grows by the day.I would probably recommend using my original edit, but probably take out Nas Daily and just have Sheeran. Madeinlondon2023 (talk) 17:17, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Sheeran, Wogan and Fogle are all mentioned in the source. So, the material can't be removed on the basis that it's unverified. DrKay (talk) 17:23, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Sorry I just noticed that, I am not too familiar with Wogan and Fogle. I knew Sheeran was sourced though. I feel like my original point still stands that the section has been pretty volatile recently and I fear that more people will just arbitrarily change the individuals listed there. Madeinlondon2023 (talk) 17:27, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Well, there's potentially an argument for removal based on triviality. DrKay (talk) 17:32, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

I don't know if the whole thing should be removed (it is how they make money), but I think having more than one individual on there is trivial. Madeinlondon2023 (talk) 17:36, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

The entire Sealand operation is pretty trivial - it's just a long running scam operated by some dodgy chancers. I'm surprised the article takes it so seriously. The idea that it's an actual micronation with a monarchy is preposterous. This was once a WP:FA! --Ef80 (talk) 14:43, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

That's like your opinion, man. – The Grid (talk) 16:30, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Population

Around 20 people live in Sealand, not 2.—Coughers (talk) 01:47, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

@Coughers: What is your source for that information? ArcticSeeress (talk) 03:29, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Very easy to find. Just look it up on Google.— Coughers (talk) 15:20, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Reliable sources for guidance. DrKay (talk) 17:49, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

auctally according to this reference https://worldpopulationreview.com/regions/sealand-population its 27 Paytonisboss (talk) 14:03, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

What makes that a reliable source? I don't see how it meets the policy requirements. DrKay (talk) 14:06, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

@drkay it states the population is 27 along with Google and the following 2 sites https://steemit.com/blog/@hsynterkr/the-smallest-country-in-the-world-with-27-population-sealand https://www.indiatvnews.com/web-stories/trending/smallest-country-in-the-world-sealand-population-27-2023-04-12-862850 paytonisboss (talk)

These don't appear to be reliable sources. --ZimZalaBim ^talk 14:21, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

how come? everywere i look it says 27 population with only 1 permenate resedent Paytonisboss (talk) 17:22, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Reliable sources for guidance. DrKay (talk) 17:24, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

do yall just stalk these talk pages, also i will look at that refrence thanks Paytonisboss (talk) 17:25, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

You can use the Watchlist feature to help monitor page activity. --ZimZalaBim ^talk 21:09, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

if i find a "good enough sorce" can i request that yall add it to the info box? Paytonisboss (talk) 17:28, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

If you locate a reliable source, feel free to share it. --ZimZalaBim ^talk 21:09, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

okay Paytonisboss (talk) 15:05, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/micronation-sealand-bates-royal-family-60-minutes-transcript/

reliable?? Paytonisboss (talk) 16:45, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

As long as you are not quoting Michael Bates, yes. Bates himself is not independent. DrKay (talk) 17:27, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

I´m pretty sure its not quoting him so I think its a reliable source Paytonisboss (talk) 14:16, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

I just noticed its quoting everything from that interview ima look for a another source Paytonisboss (talk) 14:20, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Well, before the interview, Wertheim writes "Sealand has a full-time population of… one." DrKay (talk) 18:07, 15 March 2024 (UTC)