Talk:Johnny the Homicidal Maniac

Original Research

Because of a lack of secondary sources written about it. Articles get deleted for this reason, but there is a lack of sources and some claims, such as: "Has sparked some controversy", which is unreferenced, "has been criticized", "Later, I Feel Sick was released to show Devi's side of the story, who changed a great deal psychologically, and was taking on the personality of Jhonen Vasquez's feelings towards Nickelodeon." <-- unsourced claim. "It has been suggested by fans that, whether Vasquez intended it or not, Johnny the Homicidal Maniac is an homage of the "revenge fantasy" <-- unsourced claim. "In the webcomic "Sam and Fuzzy the character of Rick Esteban is believed to be an homage to Jhonen" <-- unsourced claim. "These are silly little stories the author created presumably because he wanted to do something different" <-- editor's opinion. Lots and lots and lots of editors' opinions, which Wikipedia is NOT used to publish. Also see WP:Original Research and WP:ATT. --Naruttebayo 02:43, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Umm...there was an actual statement by Jhonen that he drew the "little stories" like wobbly headed bob and happy noodle boy because he got bored with drawing JTHM. I havn't the faintest Idea where the link is though, so it's basically useless info.

72.241.165.155 19:46, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

New Pic

Ok, Look. The only two pictures of Johnny here, are from issue six. This might be quite confusing to new readers. Could someone post a new pic of Nny, one with his full hair? TigerDude 14:56, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Other

Johnny is such a memorable character. I especially enjoy the Happy Noodle Boy comics. --Nob

Gar! I made my first edit without logging in. *sniff*

--Quid 19:04, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

Are all the internal links relevant? For instance, linking to "insanity?" It seems like too much.--ChristineDelusion 00:00, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Honestly, it may seem like too much but still- Johnny is insane... and if that doesn't work, linking to insanity is pretty random and this comic is random... lol JTHM rocks hard Miss misra belle 22:36, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

I got the JTHM series for my birthday and looked on here to see what it was about... I agree, the lack of pics are confusing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Microwaved noodles (talk • contribs) 23:32, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Fanfic

Is it really relevant what some fanfiction writers think Johnny may be the grown up version of? --Quid 14:48, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I removed the fanfiction assumptions from Johnny's bio, but someone is free to put such theories back in, perhaps in a seperate section, if they provide adequate backup to the hypothosis. MardukZero 16:00, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Also, I made the intro a bit more encyclopedic and less awkward ('It has been particularly popular within the teenage kids who want to be different, Goth and other subcultures that it actually tends to parody.' seemed a bit odd of wording.) MardukZero 16:00, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Oi. Once again, is it relevant what the fanfic community thinks Johnny is the grown up version of, especially if it's impossible? --Quid 19:59, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Two Concerns

1) Should this article include summaries of all the strips? The summaries are great, but isn't it a bit much? What's Wikipedia's policy on this?

2) Is Johnny an anti-hero or a villian? He says he's a villian during his encounter with Mmy.

- Ryan

To answer your second question, JTHM is an Antihero, because he is the main character. Read wikipedia's article on anti-hero's. He considers himself a villian, but so do most Antihero's. A villian opposes the hero.

Would the doughboys therefore be the actual villains of the comic, then? --boiled_elephant 13:28, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I believe so, because they are hindering JtHM 71.211.6.193 18:21, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I think one could argue that the true villain of the comic is JtHM, or at least his madness. The only person who ever truly hinder's NNY is himself, and also the person who kills him is himself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.62.119.138 (talk) 22:54, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Trivia

I just noticed this. In the comic strip where Nny is telling someone about killing a girl and laughing about it, he then asks the victim (who he's telling the story too) if he thinks it's funny. Look at the victim. It's Kirk.

I'm not sure what issue that appears in, but Krik definitely appears in Issue Two. Also, Edgar Vargas should be added to the characters list.

--WalterJid 01:24, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Characters

Do we really need to include each and every character that appeared in the comic, from Damned Elise to Krik?

well, Kirk had a whole issue to himself, but some of the others aren't as important. And sign your comments please! Devilmaycare 09:57, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

We ought to make a new article for the minor characters. Something like List of minor characters from Johnny the Homicidal Maniac would do well. I would also like to see a master list of all the strips, meanwhiles, and whatnots of each issue of the comic book. Something has to be done with all the content of the Story section, as well. Also, last time I checked, the summary of issue 7 has no strip titles. I will help work on these things later, but if anyone wants to get started, please go ahead. Ecto 22:51, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

If a daughter article is created, the correct style is Characters of Johnny the Homicidal Maniac, and it should have sections for both major and minor characters. Such an article may not be a bad idea; it would help cut down on a lot of the bloat in this article, and we could still include bios for the most important characters in this top-level article. -Silence 23:21, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

I will start up that Characters of Johnny the Homicidal Maniac article as soon as I get a chance, if no one beats me to it. If we can make daughter articles for both the Story and Character sections, this article would be much better, I think. I have no idea if that is called for, though. If so, would you happen to know what the proper title for an article with the content of the Story section would be? That article could also contain descriptions of the Meanwhiles and whatnot as well. Ecto 00:48, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

I'd rather have the list of the strips taken out entirely. It pretty much spoiled the whole series for me after I'd only read three or four of them.

Just a thought. -WalterJid 03:52, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

To be fair, there is a spoiler warning at the top of the article, so try to watch out for those. That said, I am not sure if Wikipedia is the place for recaping the entire storyline of a series, but only in as much detail as we see in this article. It could stand to be cut down to the most basic plot movements. What I was suggesting was a list of strip titles (both JTHM and Meanwhiles and whatnot), rather than a description of what happens in each strip, but I suppose that would not be called for since Wikipedia generates a table of contents anyway, and a daughter article about the story would have one of those. Ecto 00:48, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

I agree that the detailed recap is way too much. It's practically word-for-word in places.--ChristineDelusion 00:03, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

I'd say put the list of strips on a seperate page with a spoiler warning- the article is long and most people might forget the spoiler warning at the top of it... Miss misra belle 22:38, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Johnny's appearance

I went ahead and deleted a sentence stating that, until the Squee comics, it was unknown that Johnny had blue hair and light brown skin because the JTHM comics were in black and white. Not only did this make no sense (the Squee comics were also black and white) but the colored-in covers of the JTHM comics show Johnny as having black hair and very jaundiced looking skin, and this was confirmed in interviews with Jhonen Vasquez as I recall. The placement of the line was right after the sentence about Nny's age, and if anyone can actually explain what the original comment was about, feel free to replace it. --Sobekneferu 10:16, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

I think they saw the back of the Squee's big book thing and saw the colored picture of johnny and started assuming.Jesusinmysock 15:38, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Jimmy (Mmy)

Did Jimmy first appear in Issue Six in that one random scene? I don't have that issue anymore, so I'm not sure if this was Jimmy or another Johnny C. look-alike.

--WalterJid 00:29, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Weird fangirl?

Someone put "'Nny Loves Lidda!!!" as the opening paragraph for the section on Johnny's charcater. I took that out; I assume it was some wacko fangirl who just put that there.--Sobekneferu 09:59, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, look. There are many, MANY strange fangirls out there like that. Don't be too suprised. There are going to be more than one cases of that. You might want to request that the page is locked to new users to avoid more outbursts such as this, if it bothers you.TigerDude 15:09, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Return

Is Jhonen Thinking of writing NNY again? There was a little bit of a clue at the end when he said he was going on a "little vacation," or maybe it's just wishful thinking...

The best evidence I can find is his rendition of a more recent Nny from his website. http://www.questionsleep.com/gallery/nnyface.jpg Poonerpoob 04:59, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Jhonen gave up on that. I've had that discussion with him, he's made attempts yet admits that he wants to move on in the world of comics. He doesn't have any plans for making another JTHM in the future. Sadly, he says he cannot truly read his older work. -The Powerful

Controversy?

It says on the article that Johnny the homicidal maniac gained 'some' controversy. What controversy? Negative or positive? I know some people despise JTHM but I wouldn't call it 'controversy.' And if not negative controversy but positive, I'd simply consider that "cult fame"-The Powerful

I have to agree. I saw that in there and it seemed rather pointless...There is no discussion of the controversy, nor of it's basis. I'd remove it if I weren't so lazy... 72.241.165.155 19:48, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Kirk and Krik

I'm not familiar with the series, but was reading through and noticed that both Kirk and Krik are mentioned in the section "Issue #5." Are there two characters with similar names or is it a spelling error? Stryke3 18:42, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

It's "Krik." In Issue #5 it's always spelled "Krik."

-Ben Simon

I've made the corrections. Stryke3 07:12, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

WTF??

It's JHONNY the Homicidal Maniac, NOT JOHNNY! WTF???? 72.178.229.245 09:48, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

According to Issue #1, 6th printing, it's "Johnny". You may be confusing Johnny's name with that of Jhonen Vasquez, the character's creator. Stryke3 21:49, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

In the future, RESEARCH your comments before you SCREAM THEM OUT ON THE TALK PAGE. It is JOHNNY. It always has been Johnny. Jhonen Vasquez is the CREATOR. Thanks, have a nice day!--TigerDude 15:12, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Anne Gwish

I just was re-reading this article, and noticed a statement at the bottom of the Anne Gwish section ('It is possible that "Anne Gwish" is a precarnate idea of Gaz, the Goth sister of Dib in Invader Zim.'). I was just curious if this should be deleted, as it doesn't seem to merit any notice. AnimaMage 03:25, 6 February 2007

location?

i just noticed there was an issue in the location of the comic, according to the article,its in Los Angeles; but in part 2, after returning to the apartment with devi, after they view the city from a cliff, they discuss how beautiful Brazil is. corrections? Trained_Wreck

I believe that Brazil is also a movie, which I think they might have been discussing, not the country. AnimaMage 15:11, 15 February 2007

cruft cruft cruft can't get enough

I'm thinking of deleting the whole "synopsis" section, as it seems to be a description of everything. A short synopsis is fine, but this is just ridiculous. Would someone mind writing a short synopsis overview? -Wooty Woot? contribs 20:06, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Or better yet, make a short synopsis and put the current one as a new article Plot of Johnny the Homicidal Maniac --Naruttebayo 02:41, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

That thought occurred but we don't have plot sections for any other, more notable entertainment works. I also don't think that would be encyclopedic. -Wooty Woot? contribs 02:55, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Actually we do have plot summaries of many other more notable works, including episode-by-episode guides, not to mention movies, of, course. I mean, you could make a whole paragraph out of links to the things.--Naruttebayo 03:23, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Goths

Anne Gwish, Tess, Johnny, and all of the human characters seem to be goth (and making fun of it)... but, there isn't much about them. And, what happened to the bits about each comic? Perhaps, rather than giving away each story, you could include the bits concerning the basic plot of each? This causes a little bit of concern to me. Please, anybody who knows alot about the supporting goths, add something!

Goths aren't being made fun of in the comic. I'm a goth, and Jhonen really doesn't express 'hatred' in his art, just homages and self-parody. Don't be a troll. I didn't say that he was doing anything wrong. Yes, he's self-pardoy-ing the comic; I believe I said that. But, the characters do make little bits about gothdom, such as the rumour that we all want individuality and yet we say that everybody else is a fag. In fact, some still do, and that whole rumour is made into a joke that is found throughout the comic. I like Jhonen Vasquez's works myself, and yes, I am a goth, but that's not really the subject on this page. If you want to discuss it, go to the Goth page. Duh. --Nyx Abbing 16:55, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

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Nny Userbox

I think that a Nny userbox shold be created...because it would be oh so sweet. Maxwell's Daemon 11:43, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

List of strips by issue - changes?

Hi... I think the "List of strips by issue" segment needs a serious overhaul. It's not only inaccurate- leaving out many of the strips, and only including what's in director's cut - it's also vague, as most of the strips ARE untitled. I want to put in an identifying quote or keyword or something in brackets for these, but I'm not sure if that's acceptable, as other people might not agree with them.

I already wrote it up, but I don't want to post it until I get some opinions, as I'm a new user. I just found the list extremely frustrating as a reference, especially when I hadn't bought the book. It's kind of like the track listing on an album, isn't it?

Also, I have no idea where the MEANWHILE's go, as I only own Director's Cut. -_- So any help in the placement of those would be appreciated.

Thanks! Seiraka (talk) 06:44, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Criticism

So, can get something a little more than the love-in we've got on this page? How about some criticism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.12.90.63 (talk) 19:51, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

I found a few reviews online, four positive and two negative, and included them all the the external links section. I don't know if any of these links can be used as reliable sources of opinion on this comic, because they all look to be self-published. I've never heard of any of the blogs or ezines before. I don't know where we would find a review of JTHM from a reliable source, whether positive or negative. Ecto (talk) 22:29, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

I got rid of three of the reviews, two positive and one negative, because they were from anonymous users on database sites. I kept the reviews from the blogs and ezines with named authors, but I still don't know if these e-publications are notable enough. Ecto (talk) 02:31, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Surveyer

I've noticed repeated references to the girl raped by Jimmy being mentioned by Tess and the Surveyer, with Johnny denying involvment both times. I would like to point out the Surveyer simply mentiond a girl found drained of her blood, and Johnny's reaction contains no denial of this crime. Can we please stop confusing these two victims? User:IndridCold13 —Preceding undated comment added 07:48, 29 July 2009 (UTC).

I would like to clarify my previous statment. Johnny did deny that he had drunk the girls blood, but not that he had killed her. IndridCold13 (talk) 08:49, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Labour vs. Labor

The often-referenced comic publisher is indeed Slave Labor Graphics. Alas, the original author(s) cited Slave Labour Graphics, using the European spelling. I'm not an American and I prefer that spelling, but alas the publisher is an American company so I've begrudgingly edited all of them to use the US spelling as it's simply more accurate in this context. M.S.K. (talk) 04:35, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Issue 4

I fixed the summery for Issue 4. It had info about issue 7 in it by mistake (Nny setting up the prerecorded apology to Devi). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.49.94.81 (talk) 00:26, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Flim

The creator has confirmed that he is making a animated short film based off of squee, and if people like it, he will attempt to make a film based off of jthm. seems like something we should add. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.180.227.152 (talk) 19:39, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

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