Talk:Warzone (band)

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I don't really know enough about the subject to do it myself, but this article seems fairly biased even gushing. --Mr. Snow 05:29, Sep 21, 2004 (UTC)

Okay, I never noticed this got a POV dispute. I wrote the article to the best of my knowledge. If I knew of anything negative to add that was true and fair, well, I probably wouldn't have bothered writing the article at all, but I would have put it in. I don't know what to tell you; I was a friend and a fan and won't claim to be able to NPOV in any way. So, anybody up for fixing it...or can the whole thing be deleted? Cause it looks pretty sloppy for an article to be disputed for 6 months...without any dispute going on. Thank you. Paige 04:01, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Raybeez

Maybe some parts of the article should be moved to the Raybeez article.

I don't see anything wrong with the article at all, I think it's a very fair and unbiased piece.

Bias?

I cant see anything wrong with this article either. The comments on the reaction to the band's demise and the death of its lead singer dont, to me, constitute "gush," but instead are an honest reflection of the impact the event, the band, and the lead singer had on this particular "community." I dont see this as inappropriate, I see it as clearly illustrating the truth in an effective way. (I could see some shifted or repeated in the Raybeez article to flesh that out better - so long as that article remains in the listing.)

Likewise, what is said of their behavior at shows, and their lyrical content is truthful. It the case of the latter, a simple reading of web posted lyric sheets supports this, while comments on the former can likewise be found on sites providing info on the band (even if such sites can be said to be already pro-band, general and honest impressions of set style and performance can easily be understood).

To me, if the intention of the article was simply "gush," comments about the poor reception to some of their records, or the fact that racist skinheads did come to their shows (even if the band and its lyrics did not support their philosophy), and the not always approved of patriotism the band promoted, would not be present.

-Sean

The Band

I knew the band well. They had a tough time making it work. The few hits they had never gave them the push they wanted. Raybeez had a lot of angst inside him. He expressed it through his music and lyrics. He always wanted more than what he had and wanted others to give it to him. The band had so many lineup changes due to Ray's difficult demeanor. For all the bad stuff you could say, Ray inspired people. There were many lost souls who got something from Warzone. Good, Bad or Indifferent, Warzone impacted not only the Hardcore Punk scene, but music in general.

-Big Tal

Ray 1992

I lived with Ray up on 110th St. in '92. He was the most pleasant roommate I ever had. His only rule was that we kept the dishes clean. I am very sorry to hear of his death. He was a devoted Catholic, and I am sure he has found eternal peace. —Preceding unsigned comment added by NBPTPUNK (talk • contribs) 14:46, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Ray had many personal struggles. His battles were often fought with lyrics. He was definitely very self centered in many ways but for people that he would meet on the road, he definitely inspired them.

Removing tags

I added MTV.com, Vice, and punknews.org, and am now removing those old tags. I could add more sources for the sake of it if challenged, like the books American Hardcore and NYHC, but really the story is told. We could add and improve but the band is notable, leave it alone :) Keithramone33 (talk)Keithramone33

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