Talk:Sakamoto family murder

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The circumstances of Family's murder are not appropriate: Pepetrator's break to Sakamoto's appartment in Yokohama city by unlocked doors. Tacuhiko Sakamoto (14 months aged child) was the first assasins' victim as he started crying once they were sneaking into apparment. Pepetrators were gaging him the mouth by cloth and consequently infant was handed over to Dr. Nakagawa who had already had a syringe with potassium cyanide prepared (not potassium chloride as mentioned in the article). Parents were awoken by the child's cry. When Sakoto Sakamoto (mother) saw her son in the hands of Dr. Nakagawa, she stroke the pepertrators out desperately but her resistance was broken down within a minute. Finally she was also injected by Dr. Nakagawa's syringe with potassium cyanide. The last pepetrator's victim was Tsutsumi Sakamoto (father)who offered up strong resistance and even he managed to bite one of pepetrator into his hand. As the pepetrator's bite wound started bleeding, he had to be overwhelmed by five others. While he was hold fast Dr. Nakagawa was injecting him with a syringe. But for this time the given dose of potassium cyanide did not come into effect as fast as pepetrators expected, so he had to be finally struggled by Tomocimu Niimi astride while other pepetrators hold fastly his feet. (see D. W. Brackett book: Holy Terror - Armageddon in Tokyo, Weatherhill Inc., 1996)


Just do it already bitches.[edit]

I suggest adding more on Sakamoto... Done.

I will also change the following introductory passage:

This article is on the murder of a lawyer, Tsutsumi Sakamoto, and his family. A jury of the trial of Shoko Asahara found that the Aum Shinrikyo organization was responsible for their deaths.

Technical inaccuracy. The jury did not find Aum Shinrikyo as organization responsible, though it did find responsible some of its members. The jury simply can't rule anything like that. I believe individual trials of those listed perpetrators ruled them guilty and then Shoko Asahara's trial ruled him guilty of issuing orders (the latter I will check and remove the reference if untrue). I will rephrase. - ExitControl

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Removed the following:

Realizing it was a holiday, Asahara instructed the men to kill Sakamoto, along with his family, at his apartment.

This is mentioned below ("ruled him guilty"). There are different accounts, though. Some testified that they decided to execute the murder themselves (thouse got death penalties), without telling Asahara and some said Asahara instructed (lawyers argued that since they were simply following orders, they deserve milder sentence, namely life imprisonment). But all got death sentences anyway. So despite the decision of the jury on Asahara's trial, whether he indeed instructed remains debatable. That's why I think it would be best to just state below that he was "ruled guilty".

The Kanji for the Sakamoto family is as follows. --Miya 00:49, 19 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • 坂本 堤 : Sakamoto Tsutsumi
  • 坂本 都子:Sakamoto Satoko
  • 坂本 竜彦:Sakamoto Tatsuhiko

Motive for the murder is wrong[edit]

The information in the article on the motives for the murder are inaccurate according to the Religious Movements Homepage Project.

On 31 October 1989, Tsutsumi Sakamoto (坂本 堤 Sakamoto Tsutsumi, 8 April 1956 - 4 November 1989), a lawyer working against Aum Shinrikyo, successfully persuaded Aum leader Shoko Asahara to submit to a blood test to test for the "special power" that the leader claimed was present throughout his body.

Wrong. Sakamoto did not persuade Shoko Asahara to submit to a blood test, Asahara himself claimed that previous blood tests done at Kyoto University revealed that he had unique DNA. In fact, these blood tests were never done. Sakamoto was going to reveal this to the public. Therefore, Sakamoto was not murdered because he was going to reveal that the blood tests came up negative, but because he was going to reveal that no such blood tests were done in the first place. The full text on the motive, from the webpage on Aum Shinrikyo:

Around this time, Sakamoto uncovered a faulty claim. Asahara claimed that tests conducted at Kyoto University revealed his blood contained unique DNA. This "finding" constituted the blood initiation that was believed to enhance "spiritual power enhancement." No such tests were run (Reader: 38).

As far as I can tell, this website is a verifiable source. The webpage provides the following bibliography for the relevant information:

Reader, Ian. 1997.

A Poisonous Cocktail? Aum Shinrikyo's Path to Violence. Copenhagen, Denmark: NIAS Publications

Thoughts/comments? I hesitate to edit this article myself without input from others on this inconsistency.

NOTE: Not used to the way spaces between text are handled, apologies for all the edits. The only major edit here is this section on the motive being wrong.

Gaius Octavius Atellus 1:24 UTC, 8 March 2006

I have no ideas why Ian Reader adopted such a simplistic explanation, but IMO the blod test revelations, if true were not at all problematic to Aum. Feel free to condense the article and I suggest to removing the 'motivation'-related text as it is hard to explain the motives, so a description of the murder and quick bio of Sakamoto will be enough, this isn't a newspaper article after all.

Missing reference[edit]

This statement is missing it's reference and seems to have possibly been edited or stuck in by another source (like the oddly worded phrase "sex with the girls").

"In their view, Sakamoto was never concerned to become a hero and was more interested in regular wordly affairs, such as sex with the girls or money." —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.168.38.78 (talk) 12:03, 10 January 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Merging Tsutsumi Sakamoto here[edit]

This article and the one on Sakamoto are vitually identical. I suggest the few differences be resolved and that Tsutsumi Sakamoto become a redirect to here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ravenhull (talk • contribs) 14:45, 20 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

 Done. I would have no objection to leaving the page at its current name, nor any to moving it to Tsutsumi Sakamoto (now a redirect to this page). Cnilep (talk) 19:30, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Aleph condemned ... in 1999?[edit]

I am afraid there is some confusion on the last para. According to Aleph (it is the same group btw) they renamed in the early 2000 [1]. So if Aleph condemned, it would not have been in 1999 but later. If in 1999, it would have been by Aum Shinrikyo. --Aphaia (talk) 07:00, 12 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

TBS involvement[edit]

The section about TBS involvement is very vague, and I wonder what the references for it are since they don't seem to appear in the citations or references section. Specifically:

However, the network secretly showed a video of the interview to Aum members without Sakamoto's knowledge, intentionally breaking its protection of sources.

How was it known to be intentional? What's the source on that? Why was this done and by whom, at the station, specifically? Was there a connection between TBS staff and Aum? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.54.83.138 (talk) 17:02, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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