Talk:I'll Be There for You (The Rembrandts song)

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Similarity[edit]

Is it just me or does the Friends theme sound suspiciously similar to "Pleasant Valley Sunday" by The Monkees??? Lee M 18:41, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)

  • Hm it could remind on it, yeah. But I don't think they are so similar. Just a little resemblance IMO... [Jetter]
  • I just scoured the internet for people comparing the song to Black Sabbath's "After Forever" and no one seems to have pointed it out yet. The intros are in the same key, they have the same melody(albeit slightly different rhythms), and have the same bassline. Just my $2x10^(-2).

Actually Michael Stipe has revealed that REM were approached by Warner Bros Television with the request to use their 1991 pop single “Shiny Happy People” as the Friends theme song, and that when they turned them down, they merely attempted to replicate the REM sound. Phil Solem himself has admitted that . “They wanted an upbeat tempo and used R.E.M. – I think it was ‘It’s the End of the World’ – to vibe off, then we replaced it with our own sound.” NorthCentralOklahoma (talk) 21:02, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Universal Play[edit]

Who cares about what foreign radio stations played the song? It's an American song for an American TV show.

  • You mean a US song for a US television show? OK. The Friends franchise draws in over one billion USD per year even to this day - from around the world. It's globally appreciated - unlike comments like yours. Brett Alexander Hunter (talk) 04:51, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • what do you mean who cares? someone might care.
    • The fact that the song reached a much higher position in the UK is highly significant and, as it points to Friends being a universal phenomenon, disproves your assertion. You also seem to forget that this page resides in the English (language) Wikipedia, not the (nonexistant) American section, and as such it is a point of reference for anyone that can read or write the language. Wikipedia policy is NPOV - which your comments about 'foreign radio stations' and 'an American TV show' are clearly not. Fanx

Cleanup[edit]

I'll be doing cleanup on this page. Add any comments to my desk. Alphabeter 00:35 24 April 2006 (UTC)

"I'll Be There For You" Should Be Directed to a Disambiguation Page[edit]

"I'll Be There For You" is likely the name of many songs (and who knows, maybe even other works?), one of the most well known being Bon Jovi's, which was released on their 1988 album New Jersey. Bon Jovi's "I'll Be There For You" was a much bigger hit, reaching #1 in the United States and charting high in several other countries. I was directed here when I tried to click on their song.

I think when one clicks on the phrase in question, one should see a disambiguation page. And this page should be renamed "I'll Be There For You" (Rembrandts) and the other pages with the same phrase will be labeled with its artist in brackets accordingly. 68.73.116.66 01:27, 30 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose. Silly wordsmithing. Ardenn 20:14, 5 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Agree/ That's too vague of a reason. Please elaborate. Both songs are equally popular and well-known and no one song should have precedent over the other. Also, it elminates the confusion of a page directing to "I'll Be There For You" and being directed to the wrong "I'll Be There For You." 24.13.187.147 00:28, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Move to Ill Be There for You (Rembrandts) --129.234.4.76 13:16, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Agree to move to "I'll be There For You (Rembrandts)" since both songs were HUGE hits. A disambiguous page is clearly needed. Both songs hit #1 in the U.S. if my memory serves me right. Not a silly move in my opinion. Royalbroil 03:43, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • It is done. I'll Be There For You is now a disambiguation page with links to the new pages "I'll Be There for You (Rembrandts song)" and "I'll Be There For You (Bon Jovi song)"

Full Lyrics?[edit]

Whats D.O.A. stand for exactly —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.251.116.73 (talk) 12:39, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

D.O.A. = Dead on Arrival 134.117.129.192 (talk) 18:31, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Can't we have the full lyrics in the article?

I fear that this would be an infringement of copyright. Inevitably it would mean either copying verbatim the contents of a webpage with the lyrics, or simply copying down the words as sung during the song. Either means a verbatim reproduction of copyright material.
Certainly you are entitled to link to a webpage that documents the lyrics in their entirety (many websites are dedicated to song lyrics), as Wikipedia could then not be held responsible for the copyright violation (which I believe those sites do commit). But an open-source encyclopaedia cannot just reproduce copyright material without permission.
I believe this is the official reason, but perhaps someone else could input? Thanks.  :-)
Leevclarke 00:42, 12 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Meaning of "cannibalize"[edit]

Can I just raise a query with a word in this article? The text states that the song was not released as a single, as record producers "feared it would cannibalize album sales".

What is meant here by the word "cannibalize"? Does it mean "reduce", "harm", or "detract from"? If so then I am not sure this is the best word to use here. Or am I misinterpreting this word in the context?

Leevclarke 00:53, 12 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Is the album L.P. or LP?

Is the album L.P. or LP?[edit]

Is the album L.P. or LP? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shj95 (talk • contribs) 12:54, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It is always written without periods/full stops, so LP.--Marce 09:26, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
I have corrected "behaviour" to "behavior" since FRIENDS is an American sitcom, not a British one. --Marce 09:26, 2 June 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fandelasketchup (talk • contribs)

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The Clapping[edit]

Please add something about the clapping in this song.

2600:1702:25A0:B070:6837:C66D:413E:2EFC (talk) 14:32, 17 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If you don't clap when you hear this song, are you even human? —FrostyBeep 21:26, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Bias in critical reception area[edit]

The Blender list has been proven to be biased towards the young adult readership of the magazine, yet it counts as "neutral tone", which is nonsensical as is. 2601:199:4181:E00:94EE:AFCA:8E81:3CD6 (talk) 18:48, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I think consensus is against you here. Doctorhawkes (talk) 21:35, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Against me? The rule of "neutral tone" is incredibly nonsensical. --2601:199:4181:E00:94EE:AFCA:8E81:3CD6 (talk) 00:43, 2 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Does Denny Fongheiser play drums on the Song?[edit]

I was looking through the history of the article and I happened to notice that someone deleted a reference to Denny Fongheiser playing on the song.

Comparison between versions

This intrigued me a little so I did a little looking around and found the following:

On Thursday Denny Fongheiser stepped in on percussion. Denny’s credits certainly speaks for themselves. Denny has performed and recorded with Tracy Chapman, Bruce Springsteen, Heart, Seal, Counting Crows, Freddie Mercury, and Peter Frampton. Denny played drums on the recording of the “Friends” television show theme song composed by the Rembrandts. Needless-to-say, his skillful percussion was a tasteful addition to the eclectic mix of artists and instruments.[1]

Italics are mine. I also found another reference in Innovative Percussion:

Just a few of Denny’s credits include Heart, Tracy Chapman (including her mega hit Fast Car), Counting Crows (including the hit Mr. Jones), Seal, Peter Frampton, John Paul Jones, Bruce Springsteen, Roger Waters, Boy Meets Girl, Shawn Colvin, Freddy Mercury, The Lion King soundtrack, Tom Cochrane, B’z, Maeda Nobuteru, T-Bone Burnett and was the drummer on I’ll Be There For You, the mega-hit theme for the hit TV show Friends. The list goes on. He is currently preparing and will be the drummer for the highly anticipated Heart tour, reuniting Rock legends/sisters Ann and Nancy Wilson in their long awaited reunion.[2]

Any other thoughts on the subject. Should Denny Fongheiser receive a mention in the main article somewhere? Is there more to this story than meets the eye?

References[edit]

  1. ^ Prairie Sun Recording. "Will Ackerman, formerly of Windham Hill Records, and engineer Corin Nelsen, recording with his tribe of Imaginary Road artists" March 12, 2010
  2. ^ Innovative Percussion. "Denny Fongheiser" retrieved May 28, 2021.


NorthCentralOklahoma (talk) 06:43, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@NorthCentralOklahoma: I removed the statement because the source attributed to the claim does not mention him. According to the liner notes, which you can view here, Pat Mastelotto plays drums on the single version. What I'm assuming is that Fongheiser played drums on the original one-minute version, but that's speculation that none of the sources confirm. It might be worth mentioning him without introducing original research. ResPM (T🔈 🎵C) 11:55, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]


@ResolutionsPerMinute: Thanks for your insights. I thought there must be more to the story that I was missing. I'm not going to worry any more about it. I think the fact that we have mentioned it here on the talk page is enough. If someone else has any other references that can shine some light on the subject, then go ahead. NorthCentralOklahoma (talk) 17:03, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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