Talk:Redburga

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Moved here on suspicion of unfactuality[edit]

"She was the daughter of a Persian princess, Izdundad, AKA "Princess Dara," who was the daughter of the last of the Sassanian Kings of Persia, Yezdigird III. Princess Dara was taken to Babylon and given in marriage to the Exilarch of the Babylonian Jews, Bostanai ben Chananai, who was of the House of David and therefore a Davidic King or cheif of the Babylonian Jews. Princess Dara's sister, Sharbano, was given in marriage to the Caliph Ali.

Bostanai and Princess Dara left Babylon and lived in the court of Charlemagne, where Raedburh was born and grew up, because Charlemagne wanted a Davidic Jew to be part of his court and help with the relations between the Christians and the Jews of the Holy Roman Empire."

I researched Bostanai a bit, and he's well-attested in Jewish sources, but the Redburga and Charlemagne relationship seem undocumented in anything plausible I could find. So, need some book titles... Stan 06:53, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Everybody's wrong[edit]

The beauty of the internet is that you can spin a simple error into a far more grandiose myth. Saint Ida appears to have been a different person. Raedburh/Redburga, for her part, may not even exist. And she was definitely not the great-granddaughter of Charlemagne--that is probably a misreading of those genealogies that describe her as a great-granddaughter of Charles Martel. As for the exiled Jewish Exilarch, I have no information, only skepticism. Italo Svevo 22:19, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Redburga's parents - who knows?[edit]

According to some genealogy sources (e.g. http://www.american-pictures.com/genealogy/persons/per03391.htm#0) her father was a Jew who renamed himself as Theodoric. Many genealogy websites say this, but they have probably all copied from each other. Does anyone know how to find out if this is true? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.200.80.136 (talk) 04:44, 19 January 2007 (UTC).[reply]

There are few genealogical sources showing her to be the daughter of Aldana Martel and Makhir of Narbonne, a Babylonian Jew of a Davidic lineage. Although, I'm not certain of this outlandish claim but it is well-documented that the Jews served in the court of Pepin the Younger and his son, Charlemagne and there have been social and cultural interactions between the Jews and the Franks in the 7th to 9th centuries. Whether there have been any intimate or personal relationship between the Jews and the Franks is not known or documented. To be frank (no pun intended), there is a real hidden history in that period of the Carolingians that we do not know but can only speculate; or maybe the fact certain documented medieval sources pertaining to individual Jewish and Frankish figures or their relationships may have been either lost, destroyed, hidden or not yet discovered. The bottom line is there is the well-documented history of the Carolingian figures we know now and there is the hidden history of the Jewish-Frankish interactions and relationships of that particular period we can only speculate or theorize. I realize it may be a stretch but the logic of close interaction between ethnic communities in one realm tells me otherwise. Sundehul —Preceding comment was added at 03:14, 4 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]