Talk:Xavier Cugat

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Name[edit]

According to Xavier Cugat's fan site, his birth name was "Francisco de Asís Javier Cugat Mingall de Bru y Deulofeu" (differences from current revision in bold italic). Searches yielded no convincing evidence of any of the combinations. Anyone have an accurate reference? AlanM1 (talk) 00:02, 22 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cujat or Cugat? Two different spellings used side by side without an explanation. Is this a typo, are they alternate spellings (maybe in different languages), or what? --KF 21:42, 6 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Cugat. It's a Catalan name. Cujat is a typo without sense in Catalan Spanish or English. Llull 18:24, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Girona, not Barcelona[edit]

He was not born in Barcelona, Spain, he was born in Girona, Spain. Girona's city is located 150 miles north east away from Barcelona. Wikipedia's Xavier Cugat articles in all other languages has this fact right, but not the english article, that states that he was born in the Catalan capital Barcelona. Girona also belongs to the Catalan region of Spain.

There is nothing proving his American nationality in the article. He was born in Spain and died there. The fact that his career years were in the US does not mean that he became an American citizen. If he did become one, it must be stated in the article.

Neglect of recording career[edit]

This article neglects his recording career. Far too much of the article is given to anecdotal trivia.

Painting[edit]

This article makes no mention of his side career as a painter. --Scott.kelley (talk) 23:06, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dogru144 02:40, 21 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Coogie's Beach Cafe[edit]

According to the menu explaining the story behind Coogie's, Xavier Cugat founded their Malibu restaurant which is still a pretty good place to eat. The name "Coogie" apparently was Xavier's nickname. This seems like it possibly could be a pertinent inclusion to the biographical details.

Coogies Beach Cafe, (310) 317-1444, 23755 Malibu Rd, Malibu, CA 90265, Cross Streets: Between Malibu Colony Rd and Webb Way

--Victorcoutin (talk) 04:55, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Notes Section?[edit]

Is this in reference to some "I Love Lucy" episode? If so, which? And isn't the title wrong? I previously removed some other vandalism (that XC 'sucks ass') so perhaps this is vandalism, too. Cactusjump (talk) 22:31, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I removed the "Lucy" mention. The "I Love Lucy" references are already covered in the "in popular culture" section. Cactusjump (talk) 17:58, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Popular Culture Section?[edit]

Its worth mentioning that his song Brazil was the theme and the inspiration for the Terry Gilliam film of the same name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.166.60.99 (talk) 18:03, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

He is referenced in A Goofy Movie in a conversation between Goofy and his son Max. Max is talking about Powerline "the biggest rock star on the planet". And Goofy replies, "Not bigger than Xavier Cugat "The Mombo King". Everybody mombo." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:806:8204:D7C0:F439:ED92:8DDF:B08A (talk) 00:17, 18 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Huh?[edit]

His first marriage was to Rita Montaner (1918–1920) ; this contradicts all authoritative biographical accounts of her.

It certainly does. What's the source on this? Why is it even in the article?

74.12.86.130 (talk) 20:40, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Catalan / Spanish[edit]

According to Wikipedia conventions, it is the city and then the country that are mentioned when giving an individual's place of birth and death. Structures such as Girona-Catalonia-Spain are long-winded and unnecessary. I am aware that there are sub-nationalistic claims in this region, so if anyone wants to make it a point that Xavier Cugat was born in a part of the country called Catalonia and that is important to someone for political reasons then this could be mentioned in the text, but please let's keep the labeling standards coherent. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.79.136.15 (talk) 14:11, 27 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Then shouldn't he be described as "Spanish-American" rather than "Catalan-American"? 64.85.225.235 (talk) 08:59, 15 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

He shouldn't, as this terms are not about nationality but about culture. Check Catalan-American if needed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.184.24.117 (talk) 16:11, 27 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Poor quality[edit]

The article gets most of the basic facts down (assuming they are accurate), but the overall structure, level of detail, and writing, is poor. the popular culture section is rather silly and overly detailed. He deserves better.(mercurywoodrose)75.61.134.173 (talk) 03:02, 24 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"In popular culture" section removed[edit]

I tried to delete all the items that seemed irrelevant and unimportant. That turned out to be every item, except the one about Spain exempting Cugat from military service because of his birthday, which was confusing (why exempt his brothers too?) and was not reliably cited. —Mark Dominus (talk) 15:19, 31 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Pronunciation[edit]

The given pronunciation of his name, after looking through the Wikipedia pages on Spanish and Catalan orthography, seems to correspond more to the former. ZFT (talk) 20:39, 18 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Stage name or legal change of name[edit]

Is Xavier Cugat just a stage name, or did he legally change his name? —C.Fred (talk) 18:46, 14 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Catalan nationality?[edit]

Two questions about the description of his nationality as Catalan:

First, since he emigrated at age 3, is he tied to Catalan that deeply? Remember that per MOS:BIO, it's his nationality, not ethnicity or cultural standing, that's relevant.

Second, since Catalan is not an independent nation, why wouldn't he be described as Spanish? I'm not aware of any exception for Catalan that would apply, as opposed to the Home Nations of the UK. —C.Fred (talk) 21:09, 14 December 2020 (UTC)I[reply]

The complexities of nationality have been addressed by now in lengthy discussions. Spain shows an intricate make-up of different nations, nominally Basques, Catalans and Gallicians, with a long history, which an ID card cannot summarize. Please refer to the following discussion:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Biography/2018_archive#RfC_on_use_of_Spanish_regional_identity_in_biography_leads

Iñaki LL (talk) 18:58, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with Iñaki LL. The president was set; also a comprehensive discussion here where there was a clear consensus amongst the participating editors that Carles Puigdemont should be described as a Catalan politician. Llywelyn2000 (talk) 10:31, 21 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Waldorf-Astoria[edit]

The opener states that Cugat was at the Waldorf-Astoria before and after WWII, but he was also there during the war—at least in the beginning months as I see in an ad in the 7/4/1942 New Yorker on page 43. In the Life and Career section it notes that he was there for 16 years starting in 1931 and does not mention a break during the war. AnnetheMongoose (talk) 16:52, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]