Talk:Abu Bakr

Proposed guideline regarding Islamic honorifics and user-generated calligraphic images

You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Islam-related articles#Islamic honorifics and user-generated calligraphic images. ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 19:51, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

June 2023

Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, articles should not be moved, as you did to Abu Bakr, without good reason. They should have a name that is both accurate and intuitive. Wikipedia has some guidelines in place to help with this. Generally, a page should only be moved to a new title if the current name doesn't follow these guidelines. Also, if a page move is being discussed, consensus needs to be reached before anybody moves the page. If you would like to experiment with page titles and moving, please use the test Wikipedia. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia.

If you want to propose a different title for a page, please read Wikipedia:Article titles first and then follow the guidance at Wikipedia:Requested moves#Requesting a single page move, so the proposal can be discussed. Thanks, ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 17:55, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

@Apaugasma

Hey, thank you for your remarks, which I really appreciate. However, I just moved the title because I believe everyone is allowed to do so, and it is not against Wikipedia's guidelines. I changed the name to an appropriate name used everywhere, so I wonder why the English version of the article does not have it as the title.

Regards Riad Salih (talk) 20:01, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello Riad! Two reasons:

1. We transliterate Arabic names here according to a certain fixed transliteration scheme, which is outlaid in Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Arabic (WP:MOSAR). According to this scheme, your proposed article title should read Abu Bakr al-Siddiq.
2. One of the main factors determining which article title we choose for Wikipedia articles is how the subject is most commonly called in reliable sources (see WP:COMMONNAME). Even though there are obviously many other people called Abu Bakr, still the first caliph of Islam is most commonly just called "Abu Bakr" in reliable sources.

Now with regard to the second reason, some discussion is certainly possible. Despite the fact that reliable sources very commonly refer to our caliph as just "Abu Bakr", we might want our article title to be less ambiguous and more precise (both of which are also important WP:CRITERIA when deciding an article title).

Actually I am personally in favor of this, though to conserve consistency (also one of the WP:CRITERIA) similar changes should then also be made to other article titles: e.g., Umar should become Umar ibn al-Khattab, Uthman should become Uthman ibn Affan, and Ali should become Ali ibn Abi Talib.

But the last point here, and perhaps the most important one, is that precisely because an article name change like Abu Bakr to Abu Bakr al-Siddiq would be up for discussion, such a change should never be made without prior discussion. Undiscussed moves are only appropriate if the current title contains a blatant error, or if it indisputably violates one of our article title guidelines. This is not the case with Abu Bakr (note that it also wouldn't be the case if the current title were Abu Bakr al-Siddiq). When the current title is in accordance with guidelines but an editor thinks that there is another title that would be better, the optimal procedure is for that editor to open a requested move. If you'd like, you could so for this page.

Thanks, and have a good weekend, ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 22:09, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

@Apaugasma Thank you for all your clarifications. I am truly grateful for this. Riad Salih (talk) 19:16, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

"Brigades of Abu Bakr Al-Sidiq" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Brigades of Abu Bakr Al-Sidiq has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 September 4 § Brigades of Abu Bakr Al-Sidiq until a consensus is reached. Edward-Woodrow :) _[talk] 15:25, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Abu Bakr was not monotheistic

Source needs to be cited on claim he was monotheistic before converting. All known historical claims have been that he worshipped idols and then converted to Islam. 47.155.249.154 (talk) 03:52, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 February 2024

Change “Muslim view” subheading within the Assessments and Legacy section to “Sunni view”. 162.154.227.115 (talk) 02:50, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

 Done
— Urro^{[talk][edits]} 14:21, 7 February 2024 (UTC)