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Untitled[edit]

Note: All edits to this article by 220.227.240.3 (contribs) have been reverted. The list of journalists is the only marginally in context section that wasn't a copyvio from somewhere, and even those links were all badly named. I will be watching this page for future edits and checking their copyright status accordingly. -- Graham  :) | Talk 14:15, 20 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Āgra??[edit]

Āgra might be how it's written someplace, but in ENGLISH it's AGRA. This unilateral change was really not required and not helpful. --Nemonoman 02:03, 8 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Back to Agra[edit]

As per the Wikipedia:WikiProject Indian cities

Basic India conventions
  • Use only British English spellings as per the guidelines for India related pages.--Nemonoman 01:39, 9 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

History Section[edit]

Hi, I was just glancing at this article and I saw that the last line of the History section looks like it wasn't written by a native English speaker: "Agra has birth place of religion like Din-i-Ilahi, which flourished during the rein of Akbar & Radhaswami Faith which has around two million follower worldwide." I don't know anything about Agra, so I'm not sure how to fix this or what the intention was to say, but I just thought I'd call attention to it so someone with more knowledge can fix it. Embokias (talk) 21:31, 26 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

tourist brochure[edit]

Am I the only one that thinks this article sounds like a tourist brochure in places? Mynameinc (talk) 14:08, 29 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Pronunciation[edit]

Surely Agra is not pronounced with the glottal 'gh' sound as indicated in the IPA transcription here. Both Hindi and Urdu pronounce it with a voiced plosive [g], and I don't recall even locals pronouncing it with the Urdu 'ghain' sound. Energyworm (talk) 21:22, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dubious fact?[edit]

The article says 'The 11th century Persian poet Mas'ūd Sa'd Salmān writes of a desperate assault on the fortress of Agra, then held by the Shāhī King Jayapala, by Sultan Mahmud of Ghazna.'This line has been copied from a touristy website on Agra, and I have since toidied up the names of the poet and king.The poet is mentioned, for instance at http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/452843/Persian-literature/277134/The-proliferation-of-court-patronage#ref997408 I have searched high and low on the internet and elsewhere, and most sources specifically mention that none of his poetry is extant. If the poetry does not survive, where can the lines about the attack of Agra originate?Energyworm (talk) 10:55, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

why 'later'?[edit]

i have a doubt. in the paragraph about the history of agra the writer wrote that,"shah jahan later shifted his capital to shahjahanabad in 1649." is that 'later' needed there? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Idlichutni (talk • contribs) 15:58, 2 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

population part is not correct needs to be verified —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.52.53.232 (talk) 14:51, 25 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

आग्रा vs आगरा[edit]

I think the former is a more "correct" spelling/pronunciation. But it requires quite a bit of work changing everywhere, esp. in the Hindi Wikipedia where the latter is used everywhere. Hence, I will just leave a comment. The Marathi ones uses the former. For the uninitiated, the title of this "translates" to āgrā vs āgarā. Kshitijbansal (talk) 19:04, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

(PS: Actually, Googling suggests latter is more popular, I don't know why. And more I think about it, the less sure I become -- so I will leave it to others to comment and decide what is "correct".) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kshitijbansal (talk • contribs) 19:06, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Need better map[edit]

I'm familiar w/ geography and it's hard for me to determine where Agra is from that map.

Can we get a map that's more zoomed out? 74.60.161.158 (talk) 22:36, 14 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Agra/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

* The city of Agra is rich in history. As one of the hotspots that showcase India to the world, I felt that this article should be of top priority. The article has a neat infobox, for a start. Agra, I believe is rich in history. There can be a whole lot of relevant information that may be included. More areas where the article lacks info: Public Transport, detailed sections on related heritage spots. economy. Agra is really one of the big cities in India. For a city of such importance, this article needs more and well written sections. Cheers. -- Chez (Discuss / Email) • 01:06, 26 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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food[edit]

the famous food items of agra are mughlai food Back in the 16th century, the Mughals made Agra the capital of India and constructed all those world-famous monuments you might have heard of. So it’s no surprise that the Muslim empire left indelible imprints on Agra’s cuisine as well, much like it has in Delhi and other parts of North India. You may already know its trademarks: creamy, boldly flavored curries; lots of ground and whole spices, dried fruits and nuts; roasted meats. (Some of these qualities were adapted by Punjabi cooks, so the demarcation between the two is a bit blurry.) It’s a rich cuisine fit for a king.

BEDHAI AND KACHORI

This typical breakfast, usually served at street stands, consists of two parts: one spicy and one sweet. The bedai (sometimes spelled berahi) is a fried, puffy bread, much like kachori, served with a bowl of spicy green sabzidotted with hunks of potato and a dollop of curd. Thejalebi, as you’ve hopefully tried in Delhi, is a sticky-sweet dessert made of fermented batter that’s fried into ropy whorls, then soaked in hot sugary syrup. Freshly made and consumed one after another on a crowded street corner, together they’re the definitive balanced breakfast of Agra.

CHAAT

savory snacks, are very popular in Agra—particularly bhalla, various kachori, samosas, and gol gappas. For this entry we’ll focus on the former, as it’s one of the city’s favorites: bhalla. Here, it’s a fried potato and chickpea patty that’s smashed open and topped with grated ginger and a spicy-sweet brown sauce. It’s the kind of perfectly satisfying snack that can only be found on the streets of India.

DALMOTH

Dalmoth is a traditional namkeen, or savory dry snack, in Agra, made from fried lentils, nuts, spices, and oil. Crispy, spicy, and a little greasy, it’s the kind of snack you’d enjoy best with a cold hoppy beer—if you weren’t in India!

PARANTHAA

staple of Mughlai cuisine, paratha, or parantha, is a pan-fried unleavened flatbread made from wheat flour and often served stuffed with various ingredients, mostly vegetarian. (Parathas are quite popular in Delhi as well. They’re often served as athali, on a large round plate with some accompaniments and chutneys.


PETHA

it used to be the platform snack of choice, it’s a centuries-old sweet made from ash gourd—also called white pumpkin or squash—cooked in sugar syrup, and it comes in many varieties: plain (white); kesar(saffron) with nuts in colorful shades of pineapple, coconut, mango; in small balls or rectangular hunks; served dry or in some syrup. It can be very soft, chewy, and a bit syrupy inside, or harder and chewy, but it’s always sweet and usually rather floral in taste. Its sugary crystallization reminds us a little of cotton candy—although unlike the latter, petha is believed to have medicinal qualities, benefiting blood pressure, hydration, brain growth,and more. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 160.202.37.154 (talk) 08:32, 15 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Restoring unsourced material[edit]

SshibumXZ, did you intend to do what you did here? You raised questions about the relevance of mayor to the infobox, but you retained the entry and restored two more officials to the infobox, one of whom has nothing to do with the local government body apart from maintaining law and order. You also removed the sole reference for the mayor and restored unsourced material. —Gazoth (talk) 11:52, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Gazoth: hi! Yeah, I retained the mention of mayor in the infobox purely because of what the mayor is: a ceremonial head of state (much akin to the president, just less powerful) and yes, I did restore two civil servants, but, that was by mistake, I intended to restore four and so I did, with these three edits: [1], [2] and [3]. I had added info about the governmental structure of Agra more than a year ago (when I was restarting with Wikipedia), before then info about the administration in Agra was missing and there was—and still is—a note on the article's talk page highlighting this issue. The references about the incumbents about these officials was in the article body and not in the infobox, but, withstanding your suggestion, I have added references in the infobox too. I added the names of police officials because they were mentioned in Delhi and Mumbai, so, I thought that this was some sort of a Wikipedia precedent (remember I was just starting out back then). However, I still think that these officials deserve a mention in the infobox, but, please feel free to prove me wrong in this regard. Also, apologies if you construed that edit in the wrong way.
Regards, SshibumXZ (talk · contribs). 15:46, 12 September 2018 (UTC); edited 00:01, 13 September 2018 (UTC).[reply]
@SshibumXZ: Sorry, I missed the sourcing in the body. I must have confused this page with another that has a problem of unsourced additions of leader names to infobox. Right now, there are way too many in the infobox. Roughly 40% of the infobox space below the map is taken up by leader names. If mayor is just the ceremonial head, I think we can add another who is the actual in-charge of Agra Municipal Corporation. IIRC that should be the municipal commissioner. Regarding the rest, I don't think we should keep them in the infobox, especially the DIG and SSP who are just responsible for law and order. —Gazoth (talk) 00:20, 13 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Gazoth: yeah, sure. So, if I am inferring you correctly, the infobox should only include the names of the divisional commissioner, the district magistrate and collector, and the municipal commissioner? I am on board with that, can we still have the mayor above the municipal commissioner in the article body, though?
Regards, SshibumXZ (talk · contribs). 01:29, 13 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@SshibumXZ: No, I meant to say that both mayor and municipal commissioner can stay as they are in-charge of Agra Municipal Corporation, the local government body. If I had my way I'd remove divisional commissioner and district magistrate too, as they are not part of Agra Municipal Corporation, but most pages are not that strict about leader names and include other officials that are important to local administration. —Gazoth (talk) 13:46, 14 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Gazoth: I am of the opinio that the names of the divisional commissions and the district magistrate should stay. Municipal corporations in India in general and Uttar Pradesh in particular are woefully powerless. The powers of revenue collection, law and order, development, licensing and policing in Agra rest with the state government, and not the local municipal corporation. And as the divisional commissioner and the district magistrate are the sole representatives of the UP government in Agra, I think their names should stay. I would suggest having the divisional commissioner, the district magistrate, the mayor and the municipal commissioner in the infobox. What do you opine?
Regards, SshibumXZ (talk · contribs). 14:27, 14 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@SshibumXZ: I was expressing a personal preference, one that is not reflected elsewhere in Wikipedia. Divisional commissioner and district magistrate can be retained as they are important to local administration. —Gazoth (talk) 14:38, 14 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Gazoth: I never said otherwise; as there is no Wikipedia precedent regarding this sort of stuff, I’ll just remove the names of the DIG and the SSP and the name of the municipal commissioner in their lieu.

Agrevaṇa[edit]

Is there any scholarly source for the dubious claim that Agra is the place called "Agrevaṇa" in Mahabharata? Google Books throws up 5 books, none of which is a scholarly source. It's surprising that no scholarly book / journal article mentions this. utcursch | talk 05:08, 3 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I wasn't able to find one either. Lots of websites mention it, but I believe they could have simply copied it from here.--DreamLinker (talk) 09:50, 5 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
JayB91 You re-added this source which was deleted by Utcursch for being dubious. The other two sources, [4] and [5], doesn't look scholarly either. The first one, from the "Department of Cultural Affairs and Scientific Research" is in Snippets too and you didn't even link to the correct snippet. The second one [6] is from IIT Kharagpur's website. Since this specific etymology part was removed in the past, it would be better to discuss it here first - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:26, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

List of problems and suggested solutions in this article[edit]

16AdityaG09 (talk) 10:40, 8 September 2020 (UTC) Please list any problems you find in this article, in this section 16AdityaG09 (talk) 10:59, 8 September 2020 (UTC)One obvious problem is the absence of any historical information of especially post Independence. Meanwhile, the city has massively to the west and north in the past 30 years. The bulk of the posh colonies lie in the north and south, which was previously farmland.[reply]

Adding city map[edit]

16AdityaG09 (talk) 03:43, 10 September 2020 (UTC)What are the requirements, necessity, and conditions required for adding a city map? Are there any copyright issues? Multiple city maps are available on the internet. Are city maps necessary for this article? A link: http://www.orangesmile.com/travelguide/agra/high-resolution-maps.htm[reply]

@16AdityaG09: Obviously there will be copyright issues. You have to either make your own maps or take one that has free licensing. Visit WP:UPIMAGE, WP:IMAGEPOL for more info. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 06:29, 10 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Administration data[edit]

16AdityaG09 (talk) 03:13, 12 September 2020 (UTC)Most of the administration section is about the Agra district, not Agra city. Should this information be removed? I think it should be removed and linked to Agra district article. 16AdityaG09 (talk) 03:16, 12 September 2020 (UTC)Moreover the names of "officials" should be transferred to an infobox beside administration instead of the main content, so its easier to update as well as take information from. Too many names make everything confusing for readers.[reply]

Some administrative departments have control over the whole of the district. Those can stay IMO. Others can be removed.
Infobox has some limitations. Only add the most important of the posts such as Mayor, Police heads, etc. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 09:04, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]


Removed line from pre mughal history:[edit]

(Irrelevant to article)

The 11th-century Persian poet Masud Sa'd Salman claims[note 1] to have witnessed Mahmud's assault of Agra, adding that Raja Jaypal, the then ruler of the city, surrendered after seeing a nightmare. Mahmud however proceeded to pillage the city.[2] 16AdityaG09 (talk) 08:04, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Masud Sa'd Salman's poem as a historical source is a problematic matter, as no other source confirms the facts he states.[1]

References

  1. ^ Abraham Eraly, The Age of Wrath: A History of the Delhi Sultanate
  2. ^ Sunil Sharma, Persian Poetry at the Indian Frontier: Masʻŝud Saʻd Salmân of Lahore

Removed quote from later periods history section[edit]

(Irrelevant to article)


"Those dreadful-looking men must be Afghans"

— an English lady in Agra, who mistook the English infantrymen of Greathed's Brigade as Afghans, seeing their ragged and weary appearance after months of battles with the rebels, from Battles of the Indian mutiny, Michael Edwardes, pp. 52


Removed section about 1837 famine[edit]

(Irrelevant to article because the article shouldn’t contain info of an agricultural event that happened in a very large area)

Meanwhile, it was witness to the Agra famine of 1837–38,[1] which caused widespread loss of human life as well as livestock, and came to remembered in folk memory as chauranvee, (Hindi, literally, "of ninety four,") for the year 1894 in the Samvat calendar corresponding to the year 1838 CE.[2] 16AdityaG09 (talk) 08:52, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Removed section from administration[edit]

(More appropriate in district article)

General administration

Agra division which consists of four districts, and is headed by the divisional commissioner of Agra, who is an IAS officer, the commissioner is the head of local government institutions (including municipal corporations) in the division, is in charge of infrastructure development in his division, and is also responsible for maintaining law and order in the division.[3][4][5][6] The district magistrate of Agra reports to the divisional commissioner.

Agra district administration is headed by the district magistrate and collector (DM) of Agra, who is an IAS officer. The DM is in charge of property records and revenue collection for the central government and oversees the elections held in the city. The DM is also responsible for maintaining law and order in the city.[3][7][8][9] The DM is assisted by a chief development officer; six additional district magistrates for finance/revenue, city, administration, land acquisition, civil supply, and protocol; one city magistrate; and three additional city magistrates.[10] 16AdityaG09 (talk) 13:04, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@16AdityaG09: These are properly sourced. I believe you should move the content to the district and division articles per relevancy provided those articles lack these information. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 13:11, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ok did that 16AdityaG09 (talk) 03:17, 12 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Girdlestone, C. E. R. (1868). Report on Past Famines in the North-Western Provinces. Government Press, North-Western Provinces. p. 42.
  2. ^ Sharma, Sanjay (26 July 2016). "The 1837-38 famine in U.P.: Some dimensions of popular action". The Indian Economic & Social History Review. 30 (3): 370. doi:10.1177/001946469303000304. S2CID 143202123.
  3. ^ a b "CONSTITUTIONAL SETUP". Government of Uttar Pradesh. Archived from the original on 31 August 2017. Retrieved 30 August 2017.
  4. ^ Maheshwari, S.R. (2000). Indian Administration (6th ed.). New Delhi: Orient Blackswan Private Ltd. pp. 563–572. ISBN 9788125019886.
  5. ^ Singh, G.P. (1993). Revenue administration in India: A case study of Bihar. Delhi: Mittal Publications. pp. 26–129. ISBN 978-8170993810.
  6. ^ Laxmikanth, M. (2014). Governance in India (2nd ed.). Noida: McGraw Hill Education. pp. 5.1–5.2. ISBN 978-9339204785.
  7. ^ Maheshwari, S.R. (2000). Indian Administration (6th ed.). New Delhi: Orient Blackswan Private Ltd. pp. 573–597. ISBN 9788125019886.
  8. ^ Laxmikanth, M. (2014). Governance in India (2nd ed.). Noida: McGraw Hill Education. pp. 6.1–6.6. ISBN 978-9339204785.
  9. ^ Singh, G.P. (1993). Revenue administration in India: A case study of Bihar. Delhi: Mittal Publications. pp. 50–124. ISBN 978-8170993810.
  10. ^ "Administration". Agra district website. Archived from the original on 28 August 2017. Retrieved 12 September 2018.

Literacy rate[edit]

@16AdityaG09: It is regarding this change. I believe the literacy rate part, which was sourced, needs to be re-added in the section, since it goes unsourced in the infobox. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:42, 14 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It's there as of the latest edit. 16AdityaG09 (talk) 12:40, 14 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@16AdityaG09: Oops! missed that. Fylindfotberserk (talk) 13:05, 14 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Edit war ongoing[edit]

Can admin do deep revert and put on an edit lock? Plorpy (talk) 01:20, 22 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

nevermind. it is Agra Fort that is in edit war. Plorpy (talk) 01:27, 22 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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