Talk:Absorption spectrum

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Conservation of momentum[edit]

"However, this is emitted in all directions, not just in the direction in which the electromagnetic radiation was originally travelling."

How does this conserve momentum? lysdexia 23:42, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)

In the case of annihilation, conservation of momentum requires the two emitted photons to travel in opposite directions. So I would assume that in this case, whatever momentum the photon has, the atom's momentum changes by the same amount in the opposite direction. --Shinglor 10:34, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The word inverse appears in the meaning which is absent in wikipedia.[edit]

In mathematics, the Inverse element of an element x in a binary operation with identity element e is $~x^{-1}~$ so that $~x~\times ~x^{-1}=x~$
Also, Inverse function of function $~f~$ is function $~f^{-1}~$ such that $~f\left(f^{-1}(x)\right)=x~$ .

None of this cases apply to the spectra of absorption and emission.

Perhaps, the author means that spectrum $~S_{\rm {absorption}}~$ of absorption is related to the spectrum $~S_{\rm {emission}}~$ of emissioon with $~S_{\rm {absorption}}\approx A-B~S_{\rm {emission}}~$ , where $~A~$ and $~B~$ are smooth (slow) functions of frequency (or wavenumber, or wavelenght).

If there is any way to express this in wikipedia-English?

These gaps occur despite the re-emission of photons because the re-emitted photons are equally likely to travel in all directions, and it is statistically unlikely to travel along the original path to[edit]

Such explanation is unacceptable. Let us see why

The Fig. 1 shows a lamp emitting a continuos spectrum that falls upon a prism, and the prism projecting a continuous spectrum in the screen.

FIG.1: http://www.geocities.com/ciencia2mil/DANIELcontinuous-spectrum.jpg

Among all the frequencies emitted by the lamp, obviously there are photons emitted in that same specific frequency emitted by the Na atoms. Let’s call Ph(Na) such photons emitted in the specific frequencty of Na atoms, emitted by the lamp The Fig.1 shows where the Ph(Na) spectrum falls upon the screen.

Consider a prism with area s=10cm² = 10^-3m²

Suppose that it’s “Z” the total quantity of photons Ph(Na) emitted by the lamp. The area S of the sphere with radius R = 1m is: S= 4πR² = 12,5

Therefore the quantity of emitted Ph(Na) photons emitted by the lamp that falls upon the prims is:

Qe = Z.s/S = Z.(10^-3 / 12,5) ~ Z.10^-4 = Z/10000

And obviously such quantity Qe = Z/10000 of photons Ph(Na) is shinning, otherwise the spectrum would not be continuous.

Now consider the Fig.2, where we introduce the vapour of Na

FIG. 2: http://www.geocities.com/ciencia2mil/DANIELabsorption-spectrum.jpg

Note that now the distance between the prism and the lamp is 15cm, and so the distance between the prism and the atoms of Na [which re-emits the absorbed photons Ph(Na) ] is approximatelly 10cm).

A quantity Z/2 emitted by the lamp is spread in the Side A of the line that divides the lamp, and a quantity Z/2 is emitted spread in the side B. Obviously we are interested in photons emitted in the Side B.

Let’s call Re-Ph(Na) the photons re-emitted by the Na atoms. Now, with R= 0,1m:: S = 4πR² = 12,5x10^-2m²

The quantity of photons Re-Ph(Na) re-emitted by the Na atoms that falls upon the prism is:

Qre = (Z/2).s/S = 0,5Z.(10^-3 / 12,5x10^-2) = 0,5Z/125 = Z/250

Then now compare:

Qe = Z/10000 is the quantity of photons Ph(Na) emitted by the lamp, which falls upon the prism, and they are shinning in the continous spectrum of the Fig. 1.

Qre =Z/250 is the quantity of photons Re-Ph(Na) emiited by the atoms Na of the vapour of sodium, which falls upon the prism in the Fig. 2

CONCLUSION:

As a quantity Qe = Z/10000 of emitted photons are able to produce a shinning line in the screen...

... then why a quantity Qre = Z/250 of re-emitted photons are unable to produce a shinning line in the screen?

Therefore it is absurd to claim that QM is able to explain the absorption spectrum by alleging that the re-emitted photons does not fall upon the prism

Proposed merger[edit]

I propose merging the contents of this page into the Absorption spectroscopy page. This would then be a topic within that page. The spectroscopy page would be enhanced by increased discussion of the spectrum and this version of the spectrum article feels insufficient and incomplete without some of the information on the spectroscopy page. ronningt (talk) 03:09, 9 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that this article goes hand in hand with Absorption spectroscopy. The last real edit for this page was in November of 2009, and this article is not likely to be expaned soon. So I don't think it will be a problem to merge it. I will go ahead do the merge. I usually go ahead and merge the page ( as per guidelines Help:Merging) if it seems appropriate. In the guidelines there is usually the motto "Be bold" (take action). Also, if it looks like this "new" section in the Absorption spectroscopy article can be expanded to a stand alone article then it can be split off a later time - with a summary left behind. Steve Quinn (formerly Ti-30X) (talk) 04:37, 9 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]