Talk:Transnistrian ruble

I have more to add to this, will come back soon Jackliddle 23:07, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Wow this has turned into a good article. WikiPedia works! Jackliddle 22:34, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

Name of unrecognised entity.

Isn't Transnistria more correctly known as Transdniester? The currency is more correctly known as the Rouble, not Ruble! - (Aidan Work 06:24, 20 December 2005 (UTC))

No. Ambi 23:09, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Having a correct international name in German (?) for an internationally unrecognized country that speaks Russian and calls itself Pridnestrovje (literally - 'region by the Dniestr') is more than strange... Aadieu (talk) 13:39, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

The "official" sources of Transnistria name it "Pridnestrovye", but Transnistria is more widely used than both Pridnestrovye and Transdniester, most likely because it's easier to spell. :-) bogdan 23:25, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

And most likely more easily pronouncable for phonetically challenged USonians... No offence meant. ;) ナイトスタリオン ✉ 06:36, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

The official name is Pridnestrovie as per this naming decree. Transdniester and Transnistria are both much more widely used. Transnistria is offensive to most of the inhabitants. Transdniester is neutral. - Mauco 03:02, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

If Romanian is official in Transnistria, why does not have text also in Romanian? --Diana Teodorescu 14:40, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

When I say that "Transnistria" if offensive, it is not because of the language (in this case, Romanian). Rather, it is because of the historical connoctations of the word as it was coined; no pun intended. - Mauco 00:43, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

I added Ukrainian and Cyrillic Moldovan in the infobox. Please correct if incorrect. William Mauco, can you explain why? Not all of us are experts of that region. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 10:44, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Sure, I'll be glad to explain. There is also some more info in Names of Transnistria. Basically, the skinny is that "Transnistria" is Romanian and means "Beyond the River Nistru" -- there, already, is your first clue that it is not native: Someone living there would not refer to themselves as being "beyond" somewhere. Rather, the name came into widespread use by Romanian fascists (which by the way is not a slur, they actually referred to themselves that way) who invaded the area in World War II. The term "invasion" is also correct, because this land had never - ever - at no time in history - never - been part of Romania (or of Moldova, for that matter). So, 1. the name was a foreign import. But it gets worse: 2. it was the name that the "oppressors" used to designate land which was not traditionally theirs and where they felt that, since they were on "foreign soil", they could act as if no rules applied. They basically shipped a bunch of Jews and political opponents off to Transnistria, and killed them off. The memory of this still lingers, and in the current political conflict, it seems as if the Transnistrian authorities are doing their best to make sure that no one forgets it either.

But, it gets hairier still. Apparently someone is forgetting, or just don't care. There is growing evidence that, although it is not prevalent, the taboo on saying "Transnistria" by the locals is slowly dissipating. I will give you an example: http://www.sheriff.md/News/?NewsID=151 is the site of the second largest company in Transnistria. In English, they use the word Transnistria. This, despite the fact that it is a Transnistria-based company and all the folks who work there are locals. Read this sentence: "On December 1, 2006 in Tiraspol, the capital of Transnistria, a formal opening of the Commercial Center Ternopol and Supermarket Sheriff, situated there, took place." (Emphasis mine). There are many other sentences like that on the same site. Still, it seems that most locals prefer either Transdniester or Transdniestria when they translate to English. There is also Transdnestr, which is a more Russified translation. The official name is Pridnestrovie, but it is rarely seen. - Mauco 17:20, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Denomination

The homepage of the Transnistrian bank says the exchange rates were 100 to 1 in 1994 and 100 000 to 1 in 2000. What is the source then for the 1000 to 1 and 1 000 000 to 1 in the article? Timur lenk

See the first ruble, second ruble and third ruble (in the article). This should be clarified. We can also ask the editor who made the last exchange rate for his sources. - Mauco 16:26, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

I vaguely remember seeing the latter ratio (1000 and 1 million) from somewhere.... Standard catalog perhaps. But since this question has been raised, I will try to help finding the answer. Accuracy of these ratios is the most important thing. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 02:19, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Infobox wrong

I'm not going to enter in an edit war with William Mauco about the way Moldovan is written (Latin, not Cyrillic alphabet), but at least the following part needs to be corrected: The language(s) of this currency is of the Slavic languages. There is more than one way to construct plural forms. See article.

There are three languages for which the local name is given: Russian, Ukrainian and Moldovan. Unlike the first two, Moldovan is not a Slavic language. There is only one way of constructing the plural. Adrian two 02:09, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Why would I edit war with you over an improvement? I don't own this or any other articles. Besides, the sentence which you single out from the infobox was not included by me in the first place, as a look in the edit log will show. Thanks in advance for any help you can provide in making this article better. - Mauco 13:58, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

I replaced "plural_slavic = Y" with a now editable attribute. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 21:02, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

I was referring to you reverting my changes from a month ago when I've replaced рублэ транснистрянэ with rublă transnistreană as per official Moldovan alphabet. Your comment in reverting my changes was This article is about Transnistria. Moldovan alphabet is not official in Transnistria, and has no bearing on the Transnistrian Ruble (which Moldova does not recognize the existence of) - AFAIK there is no "Transnistrian Moldovan language" - in that case, Moldovan should be written as per rules of the Moldovan language. But again, I'm not prepared to fight a war over this. Adrian two 02:03, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

No need to fight any wars. Just source your information. Everything in Transnistria is written in Cyrillic, including the Moldovan language. This is of course different from West-bank Moldova, where Latin script is used. But this article is not about a currency used in West-bank Moldova / Bessarabia. - Mauco 03:05, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Infobox again

Along with some additional material, I've changed the order of the languages in the infobox, putting Russian first. I've done this soley because Russian is the only language used for the denominations of this currency on the coins and banknotes. If there's a better reason for putting Moldovan first, please put it here when making the change.
Dove1950 17:12, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Might have something to do with the country's creation through the secession of said Russian-speaking province from Moldova. Let me rephrase that: they use Russian because they seceded due to their use of Russian. Make sense? Aadieu (talk) 13:43, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Language inconsistency

The infobox states: "Russian and Ukrainian are of the Slavic languages. There is more than one way to construct plural forms. Romanian is not Slavic."

But there is no mention of any Romanian anywhere else. The top of the infobox lists the name in Moldovan. Please use the same name (Moldovan or Romanian) everywhere. (Stefan2 (talk) 23:58, 2 January 2008 (UTC))

First plastic coins in the World

Add this info, pls.

http://news.coinupdate.com/transnistria-to-introduce-plastic-circulation-coins-4441/

Images and descriptions: http://cbpmr.net/resource/Pridnestrovi_CDR_F11_ITOG.jpg

--= APh =-- (talk) 10:15, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Sorry! Information is already added in article... )) --= APh =-- (talk) 10:24, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, but there is nothing about plastic in the article. It says they're made of "composite materials", whatever that means. From https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/composite, this seems to be most appropriate: A mixture of different components., though that would need specifying of which materials the coins are a composite of... 2001:999:10:7A34:C10F:39FA:749C:6595 (talk) 00:38, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

For example, some of the previous coins were made of copper and zinc, so in a way, it is a composite of them. 2001:999:10:7A34:C10F:39FA:749C:6595 (talk) 00:52, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Commentary about acceptance of currency

The acceptance or otherwise by an American artist of this currency has been removed a few times as basically a non-notable issue. I have reworded the statement to generalise that it is not accepted as a national currency, though naturally there can be exceptions. — billinghurst sDrewth 00:47, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 8 February 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (non-admin closure) ❯❯❯ Raydann^(Talk) 16:17, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

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Transnistrian ruble → Transnistrian rubla – TheCurrencyGuy changed the article's use of "ruble" to "rubla" for reasons unknown, so I am submitting this procedural RM to see whether we should go with "ruble" per title or "rubla" per body for the title and throughout the article. NotReallySoroka (talk) 03:45, 8 February 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. ❯❯❯ Raydann^(Talk) 06:16, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

• support per all the other times—blindlynx 20:11, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose. I get about 5,000 results on Google for Transnistrian rubla. Compared to about >6 million for Transnistrian ruble. Of course a simple Google search is not ideal but this shows that rubla is not used in English and so we have WP:EN. Mellk (talk) 20:40, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose move. Sources overwhelmingly prefer "ruble". O.N.R. ^(talk) 08:31, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. Rreagan007 (talk) 17:56, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.