Talk:Peter Steele

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Former good article nomineePeter Steele was a Music good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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November 4, 2012Good article nomineeNot listed

Peter Steele Not Dead[edit]

According to this page Peter Steel is not dead:

[1]

--juhtolv 15:20, 2005 May 14 (UTC)

Equipment[edit]

The article (on the biography box) lacks information pertaining to which basses he played. EndobiontJune 2015

Bass or bass-baritone?[edit]

There has been disagreement over whether Peter Steele is a bass or a bass-baritone, so I'm going to expand on the fact that none of the five sources in the article purporting him to be a "bass-baritone" actually say he is a "bass-baritone". None of them use the term "bass-baritone". They only call him a "baritone".

  • [2] - "Outer Borough baritone"
  • [3] - "deep, baritone vocals"
  • [4] - "dramatic baritone voice"
  • [5] - "deep baritone register"
  • [6] - "trademark baritone growl"

Steele has been described as a bass in the sources I added (two of which I found in the article List of basses in non-classical music, which includes Steele) and he has been described as a baritone in other sources. Again, however, he has not been explicitly described as a "bass-baritone" in the sources used. I am not opposed to referring to him as a bass and a baritone in the lead because those descriptions are supported by the sources. But it is inaccurate to call him a "bass-baritone" with the existing sources. Bluerules (talk) 22:14, 6 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Judging by the available recordings, musicology would classify Steele as singing in the baritone range. Do 'classical music' categories apply? I don't know. But when those categories are put to use they should match the phenomenon. We'll probably never know whether Peter Steele actually was a 'bass' or 'baritone', unless he had his vocal apparatus examined by a specialist. There are many factors. (It's not all about the 'vocal cords'). He surely was one of the lowest sounding singers in the whole 'modern popular music' entertainment industry. From his music we can deduce quite easily, that the sources are wrong naming him a bass. Knowing Peter's voice, the 'bass'-classification immediately struck me as being false, when I read the article's intro. I love his voice and his singing. Why make it something it ain't? Can we make up the info and name him a baritone or bass-baritone? No! If we had the sources, probably yes. But I don't, so I'd prefer to re-formulate the respective passage pertaining to his vocal range on the lines of: 'unconventionally low singing-voice often described as bass or baritone'.
Why bother at all?
Not only will future kids (or people in general), curious about Peter's life and work, be misled. They then might even be tempted to take the label 'bass' to other low-singing artists, aswell. Let's keep misinformation at the lowest possible 'bass'-level! Korinthus (talk) 12:26, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Did Petrus Ratajczyk play the piano?[edit]

Most of Type O Negative songs have alot of keyboards/piano in them. Did Petrus Ratajczyk learn toplay the piano when he was young? 50.45.41.86 (talk) 19:29, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Peter's birth name was not "Petrus"[edit]

To continue correcting misinformation about Peter, we have to stop reverting corrections regarding his birth name. He was NOT born "Petrus" Thomas Ratajczyk, but in fact just "Peter Thomas Ratajczyk." This confusion has likely been fueled because of Peter's past in humoring interviewers and playing around with his ethnicity (pretending to be Icelandic or Russian, for example). His family's Facebook page have corrected this misinformation here as well and his estate's website here Inbaeda (talk) 04:31, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@FMSky Petersteelerocks.com is not an unreliable source as it is a website ran by Peter Steele's estate and family (you can see their statement at the bottom of their website and subsequent links). He was not born as "Petrus." Inbaeda (talk) 16:56, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It literally says "From Wikipedia" at the bottom: https://www.petersteelerocks.com/bio --FMSky (talk) 17:20, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I added a reliable source -FMSky (talk) 17:36, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Even if it does that's irrelevant. It's still a website ran by his family and his Estate. Closest thing you can get to the horse's mouth honestly. The correct spelling of his name was there, and not on here, and that's all that really matters in regards to the edit. I suppose we'll take your source instead of having it blank though. I sent them a letter in hopes they'll make their own direct statements regarding common Peter misconceptions on their website sometime. Inbaeda (talk) 21:19, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]