Talk:Amaretto

bias

This article seems to have a slight bias toward Disarrono. Who wrote this anyways? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.31.70.31 (talk) 19:19, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Strange, random statement

Almost enough for a dictionary definition, but not quite. --Wetman (talk) 23:54, 19 March 2004 (UTC)

Amaro

Damn, I just created a stub, Amaro (drink). Most of the information in this article should really be there: Amaretto is just one kind of Amaro, of which there are hundreds. That's about all I know though. Stevage 21:22, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

I do not know who listed the drinks on this page, but two of them are not even real drinks, and two others the recipes were incorrect. Please do not post any recipes unless you are absolutely sure it is a real drink and the recipe is correct. Please keep in mind just because you can find a recipe for the drink on the internet does not make it a real drink. I can post a website claiming I made a boof-foofy-banana-dragon, but that does not make it a real drink, understand? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.87.5.68 (talk) 09:33, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Cocktails

I know that Wikipedia a list of indiscriminate information (the rule oft quoted when claiming that drink recipes should never appear within Wikipedia). However, there are many exceptions to this guideline when used in an encyclopedic manner and to highlight or expand the understanding of the topic. The cocktails listed (with the probable exception of Silverlake slip and possibly the Amaretto sour and Cafe Zürich) are well known cocktails that feature and showcase Amaretto's unique bitter almond flavor. The cocktails indicated as IBA Official Cocktails are internationally notable. The cocktails help illustrate the popularity and notability of the liqueur. It could be argued that these recipes should be moved into their own articles. Unfortunately, I think we would end up with a bunch of stubs, since the most unique thing about these drinks are 1) their relationship with Amaretto, and 2) they are internationally notable cocktails. The relationship is better illustrated (in my opinion) by including them here in this article. The notability is identified with the IBA designation. To put it another way, the drinks are worth noting, but without the information about Amaretto, standalone articles would probably be deleted. That's not the say the drinks are not worth including, but rather that consolidation into this article makes more sense than splitting them off. Thoughts? If the layout is of concern (the whitespace makes the recipes easier to read, but takes up screen space), they could be collapsed into paragraph format (see List of cocktails for examples). --Willscrlt 04:32, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm going to be bold and remove all but the IBA official cocktails. To the extent that other cocktails would help feature, showcase, illustrate, or what-have-you the uniqueness of amaretto, it seems like the first thing to do would be to say (and source!) that stuff about amaretto in the first place. --Sneftel (talk) 22:16, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

I noticed all the cocktails had been removed. I restored them since they are as previously mentioned iconic and IBA official cocktails in some instances. Also many other articles link to this page's cocktail subsection, for keywords like godfather and french connection, etc. Rather than mess up dozens of links all over Wikipedia, I thought it was better left reinstated in the short term until the notable cocktails can be given their own articles where it's appropriate. I still think this article should mention the most common cocktails, providing links to the newly created articles though, rather than listing the ingredients and glass type etc. since Amaretto is such a commonly used mixer, rather than a drink that's enjoyed by itself. --88.108.167.187 (talk) 21:18, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

We should definitely keep some cocktails in... my vote, again, is to limit it to the IBA official ones. There were badges identifying those at one point, which were removed for no clear reason. I'll put them back for now, and see if anyone gets pissed off. --Sneftel (talk) 17:54, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

The amaretto sour has been around for decades. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.100.209.41 (talk) 03:39, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Etymology

Was the removal of the following for a good reason, an accident, or was it vandalism? The information was sourced.

Etymology

A little bitter

The name is a diminutive of the Italian amaro, meaning "bitter", indicating the distinctive flavor lent by the mandorla amara--the bitter almond or the drupe kernel. However, the bitterness is not unpalatable, and their flavor is enhanced by sweeteners, and sometimes sweet almonds, in the final products. Therefore, the liqueur's name can be said to describe the taste as "a little bitter", and the plural, referring to the biscuits, suggests "little bitter things" or "things [that are] a little bitter".

If no response within 48 hours, I will revert. If reverted, but the removal was made with for a good reason (like the information is blatantly false, as can be shown by other sources), it can always be deleted again. Thanks! --Willscrlt 08:23, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, it's been way over 48-hours (I forgot), and since nobody has presented a reason as to why this was removed (or why it should remain removed), I have gone ahead and reinserted it into the article again. The cited source isn't as strong a one as I would prefer to see, but it seems fairly reliable. Before removing this information again, it would be good to mention a source at least as reliable that indicates this information is inaccurate. If you find a really reliable source that debunks this as a false statement, the section should probably be rewritten to explain that is the case. --Willscrlt (Talk·Cntrb) 00:12, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Slashfood

I'm removing the slashfood reference. Initially the line "Formerly known as Amaretto Disaronno, the company altered the name to Disaronno Originale after copyright issues arose" was added for the explicit purpose of someone planting an advertisement covered spam link (even if a link is used in the reference section rather than external links, its still going to get clicks and it still helps that site's position in search engines). That link was removed, and the slashfood link was added just a few days ago (a page with even more ads and adsense ads disguised as a site navigation). The catch is that slashfood's brand new article is just a rephrase of what was used on wikipedia itself, so its kind of redundant. So the name change thing was inserted really in bad faith in the first place, I'd like to see it remain but either without a reference link or with this clean page as a reference (with info on the litigation):

http://www.brownwelsh.com/HPLowry_archive/CBJ1999.htm

Please remember to sign your comments with four tildes (like this ~~~~) to help keep conversations orderly. Someone else had added the information, then someone removed the link, but kept the statement. When I edited the article, I did a search for the information. I did find some sites in Italian (which I do not speak) that seem to corroborate the name change due to litigation (can't really tell for sure), and only two English references. The Slashfood seemed so-so, but I agree that it is a pretty poor source.

Since we should not include negative information that is unsourced, I think the entire reference should be removed (and will do so if it's still there when I check in a moment). It can always be added later if good sources are located. It might be an error in omission, but that would better than an error in providing information that could be damaging to the company's reputation. --Willscrlt 14:59, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

The information on the brand name appears to refer to the American market. In Europe, at least, it was originally called "AMARETTO DI SARONNO" then changed to "DI SARONNO AMARETTO ORIGINALE" (copied from a bottle on my shelf!) 84.192.152.162 (talk) 13:36, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

References

,/lk;opj —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.202.218.167 (talk) 02:45, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

units

I added metric units to some of the cocktails, but it's not clear whether they are US or UK fluid ounces, so I've reluctantly assumed it's american units. I guess it doesn't matter too much as long as the proportions are the same. Ideally the metric conversions should be in measurable amounts, but I haven't done this. Stanlavisbad (talk) 17:10, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Confusion between Amaretto and Amaretti

This article is *VERY* confusing. I'm having a real big issue with the mixing in of Amaretto the liquor information, and then the Amore (Amaretti ??) cookie(?) information..... I can't even tell if it is a cookie or what. I wouldn't even know where to start to edit, because it is all mixed up together and you can't tell what is what. I understand the relation of the cookie, due to its almond content, but what does it have to do with the liquor other than their history? The most confusing sections are the "History" and the "Usage:Cooking" sections. If the page is to be about Amaretto liquor, lets stick to that and not toss in the cookie references.

71.193.228.220 (talk) 23:33, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Agreed, i scrolled from "is a liquer" to "crumbled on top off". Obviously the second was about the biscuit, which should not be in this article at all, except as a see also. Everything flavoured with almonds is not identical, even if they have similar names in a foreign language.Yobmod (talk) 16:52, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Yup. I have changed the redirect Amaretti so it no longer directs to this article; instead it goes to Amaretto (disambiguation) (which needs expansion). --Una Smith (talk) 19:19, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Requested move

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Discussion

Amaretto → Amaretto (liqueur) — The liqueur is one of many things called amaretto, and most of those things are not this liqueur. --Una Smith (talk) 19:31, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

• Amaretto (disambiguation) → Amaretto

• Neutral. I would support the proposal _if_ we had an article on the biscuits and/or the Python variant. But we don't. As things stand, the liqueur is the only thing called "Amaretto" _that we have an article about_, so disambiguation isn't _currently_ needed. (Incidentally, note spelling of "liqueur" if the move goes through). Tevildo (talk) 21:27, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

  Spelling fixed. For what it's worth, an amaretto is any cookie with almonds. So an almond biscotto is an amaretto. --Una Smith (talk) 04:30, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose - The drink is clearly the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for the word "amaretto" in English usage. The cookies are called "amaretti" and the language doesn't even compete. Melchoir (talk) 22:15, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
• Oppose. This is the only article on Wikipedia with the title "Amaretto". --DAJF (talk) 04:55, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

• Support — Amaretto is a flavor, not a liqueur. A quick search through Wikipedia found numerous articles about amaretto flavored cookies and other amaretto flavored foods and drinks, any of which may be called an "amaretto" in English. I have expanded the dab page accordingly. The article now occupying the page name Amaretto is misnamed; its topic very clearly is limited to some (not all) amaretto flavored liqueurs and the mixed drinks made from them. I doubt the claim, as yet unsupported, that a liqueur is the primary topic. A quick look at the incoming links to Amaretto shows many that do not intend a liqueur; they intend a flavor, often a flavor of cookie. Thus, disambiguation is in order and the dab page should be moved to this ambiguous base name. --Una Smith (talk) 05:24, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
  • Note - Una, as the nominator, it is understood that you support the move. This should be part of your reasoning in the nomination. --Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 15:51, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
    • There is no requirement nor expectation that the nominator supports a move. --Una Smith (talk) 21:14, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm a little confused about your methodology for expanding the dab page. You've linked Speculaas and Ghorabiye, apparently because they taste like almonds. The purpose of a disambiguation page is to enable a reader to find the specific article they're looking for, in the situation where that title is the "natural name" of more than one article. Can you think of realistic situations under which someone's trying to look for Ghorabiye, and they assume that the natural name of that cookie is "Amaretto"?

--Sneftel (talk) 16:52, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Each is a kind of cookie that someone who uses "amaretto" (plural "amaretti") to refer to an, er, amaretto cookie would call an amaretto ... unless they know a more specific name for it. --Una Smith (talk) 21:14, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Consider Chocolate and Chocolate liqueur. Also, here are some Google Book search results:

• amaretto 1498 hits
• amaretto -liqueur 1379 hits
• amaretto -cookie 1486 hits

Looks like a tie to me. Amaretto is an adjective, a flavor, like vanilla, chocolate, mocha... --Una Smith (talk) 21:28, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Try as I might, I can't find anyone referring to a Ghorabiye as "an amaretto", which I think you're taking to be a more general term than it's actually used as. The use of the word "amaretto" to refer to a particular type of italian almond biscuit does seem to be somewhat common, and is definitely worth a hatnote, but a glance over the google book search you referred to shows that virtually all of them are referring to the liqueur (that is, as a noun, not an adjective), despite mentioning neither "liqueur" nor "cookie". --Sneftel (talk) 21:52, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

• Support mildly -- Googling shows that the primary meaning is the liqueur. Think about why people use the encyclopedia. But good use of dab pages solves all subordinate problems. DavidOaks (talk) 06:12, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
• Oppose. All the other links on the dab page go to things that are specifically named after, or flavored like, amaretto the liqueur. Moreover, none of them seems to even remotely approach the notability of the liqueur. This is a clear case where the secondary dab page serves everyone's interest... though I'd suggest that some of the links there, the pages of which don't even mention "amaretto", would be better put on a List of Things That Taste Like Almonds, or something. --Sneftel (talk) 14:32, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

  The claim here seems to be "the liqueur came first". Sneftel, do you have a reliable source for that? --Una Smith (talk) 06:05, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose. The liquer is the primary topic. A hatnote on that article can lead to the disambiguation page. BTW, I think that Amaretti (ie - the cookies) should get an article, as a merger of Amaretto di Saronno and Amaretti morbidi di Sassello, among others, as done on the Italian Wikipedia (see it:Biscotto amaretto; though Speculaas and Ricciarelli are likely sufficiently independently notable to warrant their own article). Mindmatrix 15:27, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
• Oppose - per common name. Amaretto is the widely recognized name for this liqueur, any recipe simply states it as such , e.g. 1/2 a jigger of amaretto. --Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 15:46, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
  • Does "jigger of amaretto" refer to a liqueur or an almond extract? If I offer you a tray of amaretti, are they shots or are they cookies? --Una Smith (talk) 21:14, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
    • You're being obtuse, whether purposely or not, I am not sure, so please look up what a jigger is. If you were to offer me a jigger of amaretto, I would decline because I don't like it; if you were offer me a jigger of amaretti, I would look at you funny and wonder if you had one too many jiggers of amaretto. --Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 02:55, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

• Support. The dab page is looking a lot healthier now, and includes what I would call an "amaretto biscuit". Tevildo (talk) 21:54, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Discussion

What about the other amaretto flavored liqueurs that do not have "amaretto" in their brand name? Where do they belong? Apparently not on this article. In fact, the Disaronno Originale doesn't really belong on the article Amaretto anymore, does it? Does it even say "amaretto" anywhere on the label? I've put a "citation needed" tag on the lede; if the word "amaretto" belongs exclusively to almond liqueurs of Italian origin, I'd like to see that backed up by a reliable source. At this point, the article content doesn't even meet its scope as defined in the lede. There are other amaretto liqueurs of Italian origin, beyond the two export market leaders mentioned in the article. In short, the article page name and content are not well matched. --Una Smith (talk) 06:05, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Per this website, the Lazzaroni amaretto liqueur was the first amaretto liqueur, and was named after the Lazzaroni amaretto cookie. But that puts the first amaretto liqueur in 1851, which is really late. Consider the history of chocolate liqueur. If the claim is that it is the first commercial amaretto liqueur made in Saronno, that may be true. But who cares? --Una Smith (talk) 06:24, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

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November 2009

I changed this page - whoever originaly wrote it based it on their own opinions and not fact: Amarretto does not contain almonds and the diminutive in italian is not 'etto'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.180.253.120 (talk) 18:24, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

The article has a lot of problems, one of which is that it is actually about the two amaretto liqueurs known as amaretto di Saronno. --Una Smith (talk) 23:28, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Amaretto is made from almond and apricot pits, I assure you. Sounds like you are the one stating opinions —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.87.5.68 (talk) 09:36, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Reporting that "amaretto is made from apricot pits" is dangerous!!!! Raw apricot pits in certain quantities are lethal especially children! Please do not mislead readers by being vague! Either leave it out of the article or explain that it is distilled or "cooked" (or whatever you have researched) which is safe for consumption. And I think it is becoming clear that "DiSaronno Originale" does not belong in this article and doesn't contain almonds or apricot pits according to their branded website so maybe explain the confusion and send readers to a separate article on "DiSaronno Originale" originally thought to be an amaretto liqueur.HeyBeautiful (talk) 12:10, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Copyright problem removed

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Un amaretto per favore

In case useful - when last in Milan I asked for 'un amaretto' in a restaurant and was asked which amaro I wanted. In northern Europe ordering 'un amaretto' always yields Di Saronno, but to this waiter in Milan this just meant a shot of any bitter herbal digestif - the others the waiter suggested were much more bitter than Di Saronno (as he agreed). Guffydrawers (talk) 19:17, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

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Edit conflicts Sept 2017

Anon, could you please give a source for the claim that liquors lacking almonds are "legally" prevented from being called amaretto? By the way, while it may not say it on the label now, I'm old enough to remember when "Disarrano" was labeled and marketed as "Amaretto DiSarrano" in the Americas. -- Infrogmation (talk) 05:00, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Regardless of what regulations exist in different countries, it's not acceptable to simply remove the mention of the various brands from the article. Brands like Disaronno are described as "amaretto" in general use, and so the article needs to reflect that. Compare the article Champagne. Sneftel (talk) 08:55, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

No legal definition for "amaretto" exists in either the European codex (EC 110/2008 - Jan 15, 2008) or the US CFR (Title 27, Chapter 1, Part 5, Section 5.22). The word "amaretto" occurs zero times in either document. This means anything can be called "amaretto," which literally means "a little bitter" in Italian. The main source of flavoring for liqueurs traditionally labeled as "amaretto" is benzaldehyde, which although traditionally extracted from almonds, can be derived from anything. A review of the Disaronno website implies the removal of "amaretto" from the Disaronno label was voluntary as the brand attempted to distinguish itself by focusing on the name rather than the description, having the unintended effect of causing some to logically conclude that the product itself had been changed, thus no longer fitting a (non-existent) legal definition. Given this clarification, there is no reason to remove the Disaronno brand from the article, given that its composition, taste, and appearance are unquestionably recognizable as "amaretto."Vapeur (talk) 12:22, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Coretto?

Amaretto Coretto. Variation?