Talk:Graded ring

Graded school

I have removed the disambiguation link to Graded School since the latter is a nick-name for a school in Brazil, and is not referred to in any way as "Graded algebra". The article does not even mention the term algebra. The concept is unrelated to that of this article, and is unlikely to be a useful disambiguation. This disambiguation smacks of internal spam, and I need to see some clear evidence that some significant number of Wikipedia readers might be confused before I am willing to see this disambiguation added. For more details, I would encourage editors to see the Wikipedia disambiguation guidelines for when disambiguation should be performed. Silly rabbit (talk) 22:09, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Homogeneous parts?

"... is homogeneous if for every element a ∈ , the homogeneous parts of a are also contained in..." Homogeneous parts need to be defined. Rschwieb (talk) 01:11, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Yes, that is confusing. Is it clear now? ᛭ LokiClock (talk) 05:26, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Yep, those edits were helpful. Rschwieb (talk) 21:15, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the proposal was moved. While I'll see to double redirects and such, I'll leave the lede rewriting to you. It's Greek to me. --BDD (talk) 16:15, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Graded algebra → Graded ring – A more standard, in my humble opinion. -- Taku (talk) 00:31, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

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Homogeneous Ideals

Shouldn't homogeneous ideal be a separate entry? Currently it redirects here. Wishcow 12:22, 8 September 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wishcow (talk • contribs)

It's only defined for graded rings, so not unless the information found here about homogenous ideals outgrows the article. ᛭ LokiClock (talk) 14:50, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

The result is no consensus. -KAP03(^{Talk • Contributions • Email}) 00:08, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

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Proposed Merge

Supposedly there has been a proposal to merge Graded Ring and Supercommutative Algebra. I say "supposedly" since I see no evidence that any serious proposal was made. A serious proposal would include a clear argument for the change. Furthermore, the 2014 proposal seems to have resulted in a 2013 discussion: lacking time travel, there is no reason to take this seriously. My two cents is to vote NO. My reasoning is exemplefied in the ledes of the two articles: the first sentences of the GR lede:"In mathematics, in particular abstract algebra, a graded ring is a ring that is a direct sum of abelian groups R_i such that R_i R_j \subset R_{i+j}. The index set is usually the set of nonnegative integers or the set of integers, but can be any monoid or group." While the first sentence of the Supercommutative Algebra is:"In mathematics, a supercommutative algebra is a superalgebra (i.e. a Z2-graded algebra) such that for any two homogeneous elements x, y we have yx = (-1)^{|x| |y|}*xy." Clearly, the two concepts are related but not the same. Even if we grant that a "superalgebra" is identical to a Z_sub2 - graded algebra, imposing the requirement that its commutation properties obey the above equation seem to make it enough of a specialization as to merit its own article.imho72.172.11.204 (talk) 16:19, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

The superalgebra is a special caseNo, the algebra need not be a ring. --Mathmensch (talk) 07:03, 1 October 2016 (UTC). In my opinion there should be no merger, but the concept should be mentioned on the page regarding the graded ring, in the "examples" section. --Mathmensch (talk) 06:51, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

As I understand, a superalgebra is precisely a graded ring over the index set Z/2Z (as opposed to Z or N.) Note a graded ring in this article is not required to be commutative. Since the article "Supercommutative algebra" is short, it makes sense to merger it to this article. When the section becomes larger, we can alway split it off. -- Taku (talk) 00:25, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

A supercommutative algebra is not necessarily associative, see Superalgebra. Thus, if a merge should occur, it should be with Superalgebra. I suggest

• adding here a section on Z2 grading, with a link to Superalgebra
• merging Supercommutative algebra into Superalgebra; this is supported by the fact that notation of Supercommutative algebra is not defined in the article, but only in Superalgebra.
• possibly merging Supercommutative algebra and Superalgebra into Lie superalgebra; this is motivated by the fact that is seems to me that the only superalgebras that have been studied under this name are Lie superalgebras.

D.Lazard (talk) 10:38, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

I know but they only discuss associative ones (e.g., exterior algebra) and not Lie algebra; so, in terms of materials, the merger makes. I do agree we should have a more extensive treatment of Z/2-case. -- Taku (talk) 21:27, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

Ok, the main issue seems that there is no article on "graded non-associative algebra"; I don't know if there should be such an article. -- Taku (talk) 23:00, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

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I'm probably being thick...

I'm probably being thick but I don't see how a ring can be defined to be a direct sum of abelian groups. That takes care of the ring addition, but what of its multiplication? 86.185.161.165 (talk) 18:17, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Clarified. D.Lazard (talk) 18:57, 1 March 2020 (UTC)