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who was china for in the arab-israeli conflict?
- China was never for anyone so much... they tend to vote with the majority of the world against Israel in the UNSC. I'm not sure if they supplied arms... since they weren't such a big player during the major wars... since the PRC didn't even have the UNSC seat until... the 70s? I think. 22:41, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Iran[edit]
Based on Iran's harsh rhetoric and policy towards Israel, should it not also be greened on this map? I am aware Arabs are not a majority ethnic group in Iran, however, this is true for many of the states included such as Somalia and Sudan. --NEMT 23:47, 15 July 2006 (UTC) I agree considering the current conflict with Israel and hezbollah which is thought to be backed / funded / supported by Iran, Iran should be added mcwiggin 05:05, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Djibouti and Somalia[edit]
... are not predominantly arab states, and in fact have only small minorities (<15%). For this reason I reverted to the version of the map that shows them hashed (since they do have historical ties to the arab world), which also highlights the non-Arab regions in Iraq and Sudan. Brianski 06:13, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
- Maybe the image should be renamed Israel and islamic states map or something along those lines. --NEMT 15:05, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
- This image shows Israel and the memebers of the Arab League. ←Humus sapiens ну? 20:10, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
- Yes, but it's most often used as the image for the Arab-Israeli Conflict infobox, and the conflict's scope is beyond the arab league. --NEMT 22:53, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
- There's been a protracted discussion about this in Talk:Arab-Israeli conflict (see archives). In short, if we allow Iran, we should allow the US, USSR/Russia, 57 Islamic countries, the EU, etc. so the map quickly turns into the world map. Since the Arab nations often act as a block and the Arab League is their official representative, it makes sense to show it on the map. If you have a better proposal, let's hear it. Please WP:NOR. ←Humus sapiens ну? 06:48, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
- There may not be an ideal solution, all I know is Iran has historically (and comtemporarily) had much harsher rhetoric towards Israel than countries like Bahrain, Morocco, and Mauritania and are much more involved in the ongoing conflict. --NEMT 15:45, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
- While I may agree with this in principle, this is a slippery slope for the reasons stated above. These countries are members of the Arab League and support/promote its policies. ←Humus sapiens ну? 01:22, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
- There may not be an ideal solution, all I know is Iran has historically (and comtemporarily) had much harsher rhetoric towards Israel than countries like Bahrain, Morocco, and Mauritania and are much more involved in the ongoing conflict. --NEMT 15:45, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
- There's been a protracted discussion about this in Talk:Arab-Israeli conflict (see archives). In short, if we allow Iran, we should allow the US, USSR/Russia, 57 Islamic countries, the EU, etc. so the map quickly turns into the world map. Since the Arab nations often act as a block and the Arab League is their official representative, it makes sense to show it on the map. If you have a better proposal, let's hear it. Please WP:NOR. ←Humus sapiens ну? 06:48, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
- Yes, but it's most often used as the image for the Arab-Israeli Conflict infobox, and the conflict's scope is beyond the arab league. --NEMT 22:53, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
- This image shows Israel and the memebers of the Arab League. ←Humus sapiens ну? 20:10, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
New Map Created[edit]
this map is redicoulus, and an Anti-Arab map, it is not proffesional nor neutral, it shows the Arab League and Israel, meanwhile it cuts off Somalia, Djibouti, Kurdistan Iraq, and South Sudan...
why is that, why is there a new trend going on in minimizing the Arab Maps Area??? it cant be jelousy of the Arab League's Size being bigger then USA, Canada, Australia and the EU, which most English Wikipedians are from... i mean, people cant be THAT childish, to damage several maps out of Patriotism... im Changing the map into a more professional one... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Arab League (talk • contribs) 14:20, August 22, 2007 (UTC).
- Well, I won't speculate about anybody's motives, but there can be no justification for shading South Sudan and Kurdistan. These areas are sovereign territories of Sudan and Iraq respectively and nobody disputes this. The fact that they have non-Arab majorities is irrelevant, as this is a map of Arab League states and Israel, not a map of areas of Arab population and areas of Jewish population. If the latter were true, we would shade not only Kurdistan and South Sudan, but large areas of Israel (Galilee, Negev) as well. Heck, North Africa and even Egypt have populations that do not generally identify as "Arab," should we shade them as well? It's quite odd. <eleland/talkedits> 16:27, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
- I must say that I'm also troubled by the use of this map to represent the Arab-Israeli conflict. To the best of my knowledge, many of the states marked in green have never been at war with Israel. The core conflict states have always been Egypt, Jordan, and Syria, although now Egypt and Jordan have made peace with Israel. In 1948 there was a significant military contribution from Iraq and token forces from Saudi Arabia, Yemen, and Lebanon. Lebanon is a special case because its factions are sharply divided on Israel. Including a map that seems to imply Sudanese or Moroccan involvement strikes me as having the effect of POV-pushing.
- Perhaps we should have a map that shows:
- Israel in blue
- OPT, Jordan, Syria, Egypt, Lebanon in green
- Iraq, Saudi, Yemen in light green / hashed green <eleland/talkedits> 16:35, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
- Name of the map The name is "Israel and [A]rab states map" therefore, I have reverted to a version which includes the Arab states. If you want a different map - e.g. "Israel and Arab states war.png" that would make complete sense to use on the article about the Arab-Israeli conflict. -Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:36, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
- Both versions include the Arab League states. The version you reverted to uses shading / hash marks on Somalia and on parts of Sudan and Iraq for reasons which are unclear. My second comment here is a musing about Arab-Israeli conflict article images. My first comment explains my revert. Please respond to my first comment. <eleland/talkedits> 18:40, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
- Shading Arab League versus Arab states. Not all Arab states are in the Arab League and not all Arab League members are Arab states. The shading is due to the prevalence of Arabic. Those parts of Sudan and Iraq that are shaded do not speak Arabic. I actually assumed that was given. -Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:03, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
- Both versions include the Arab League states. The version you reverted to uses shading / hash marks on Somalia and on parts of Sudan and Iraq for reasons which are unclear. My second comment here is a musing about Arab-Israeli conflict article images. My first comment explains my revert. Please respond to my first comment. <eleland/talkedits> 18:40, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
- Name of the map The name is "Israel and [A]rab states map" therefore, I have reverted to a version which includes the Arab states. If you want a different map - e.g. "Israel and Arab states war.png" that would make complete sense to use on the article about the Arab-Israeli conflict. -Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:36, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
No good reason for this map[edit]
This David vs. Goliath propaganda map is is being abused all over Wikipedia. Even among the supporters there is no agreement on its scope or its use.RomaC (talk) 05:15, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
- Huh? You're going to have to be a little more specific than that. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:51, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
Morocco[edit]
I am sorry but you omitted the half of the Moroccan country. This is not a good map. I invite you to correct it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nikita-Alias (talk • contribs) 23:09, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
