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In the top section of the article, it is stated that the flamines maiores correspond to the gods of the Archaic Triad (Jupiter, Juno, and Minerva). However, later in the article, the maiores are listed as priests of Jupiter, Mars, and Quirinus. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ph0enixian77 (talk • contribs) 12:52, 9 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

In the Mercury article it is mentioned that in Rome Mercury has a flamen priest- in this article regarding flamines it is claimed that Mercury is obscure- how can the god standing in the Circus Maximus be obscure, where's his flamine? It seems that something was left out. MM

Two are mentioned as 'missing', I suspect the second IS known- who is it?

MM

Are we sure that the Flamen/Brahman relationship is "no longer held in high esteem"? Jaan Puhvel, for one, makes an excellent case for it. -Rwv37 00:42, Apr 25, 2004 (UTC)

Since there has recently been a (relative) flurry of new activity on the Flamen page, I just wanted to call attention to my question (above) again. Thanks. -Rwv37 16:05, Jul 17, 2004 (UTC)

I'd like to read what Puhvel has to say about it. If the Indo-European list I used to subscribe to was still up, I'd ask there. My understanding is that brahman presupposes *bhlagh-men-, and that would yield Latin **flagmen. The root bhlagh- appears in Latin in forms like flagrare; the g is kept there. Smerdis of Tlön 21:01, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I read it in Puhvel's book "Comparative Mythology". -Rwv37 15:33, Jul 18, 2004 (UTC)

Puhvel does make a very strong case for it. Rather than just saying "this is disputed", what we should really do is expand on both the case for and the case against the matter, citing sources for each, and then let the reader decide. What we currently have is just misleading weasel words, not WP:NPOV. -Silence 01:20, 2 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Is the list of flamines complete or are there still some flamines unknown, as they were never mentioned in any extant text? Is it possible that there could have been a flamen Neptunalis? Lucius Domitius 12:58, 2 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Did a flamen only worship one of the supposed roman gods (who were just a figment of all the Roman's imagination) or all of them but specialised in their special one

Re the missing flamens, I found this snippet in Smith's Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology:

"The importance of the worship of Vertumnus at Rome is evident from the fact, that it was attended to by a special flamen (flamen Vortumnalis)."

Could he be one of the missing two? --Coal2k 10:54, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A practical point: Redirection from Flaminii (a Roman gens) to Flamines is quite unpractical. This gens has not much to do with the flamines (except for its name and supposed origins), as it is clear from its not being mentioned in the Flamines article. Angrendal (talk) 15:27, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Merge[edit]

I'm merging some of the flamen stubs into this article. The only one I see that currently merits a distinct article is Flamen Dialis, which I'm leaving as a daughter article. Flamen Martialis and Flamen Quirinalis don't have enough info yet to merit it, and even if they did might work better as subsections of Mars (mythology) and Quirinus. -Silence 01:21, 2 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ranking?[edit]

Festus (via Lewis and Short if you insist on secondary sources) says The flamen pomonalis was the lowest ranking, but skimming him doesn't indicate that he gives a full ranking.

Eighteen flamens?[edit]

The initial sentence of the article reads, "A flamen (plural flamines) was a priest of the ancient Roman religion who was assigned to one of eighteen deities with official cults during the Roman Republic." However, the article only mentions fifteen flamenes as being present during the Republic; and only one additional flamen during the Imperial period. Should the first sentence read "fifteen" or "sixteen" instead of "eighteen"? Mastakos (talk) 01:36, 1 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]