Talk:Hungarian Rhapsodies

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Untitled (plural in Hungarian)[edit]

Re the recent change of "verbunkos" to "verbunko": isn't "verbunkos" singluar? --Camembert

See my article, verbunko. Mikkalai 21:14, 18 Dec 2003 (UTC)

The thing is, Google returns just 11 hits for "verbunko" and 1110 for "verbunkos", and both the Penguin and Grove Concise dictionaries of music call it the "verbunkos" rather than the "verbunko". So unless you have a similarly authoritative source to show that "verbunko" really is correct, I'm going to change it back (and move that article). --Camembert

It seems you are right, sorry. I relied only on a couple sources. I'll replace this word everywhere I used it. Sorry. Mikkalai 23:00, 18 Dec 2003 (UTC)

It's no problem - everyone makes the odd mistake (I speak from experience). Thanks for starting the verbunkos article :) --Camembert

On the third thought, according to my limited knowledge of magyarnyelv, the suffix os/es/ó in Hungarian loosely corresponds to the English suffix or/er. For example, dance->dancer = tanc->tancos, song->singer = enek->enekes, etc. So, "verbunkos" would be "the recruiter". In modern Hungarian it is "verbuvaló". One might guess that in times past the form "verbunkó" was quite valid. Did anyone happen to read some XVIII Hungarian texts lately? :-)

BTW, right now it comes to my mind that "csárda" is a derogatory name for the German soldier and also for a beer-house/pub/tavern; hence "csardas" is a dance of drinking German soldiers!:-) Shall I put this info into the Csardas article? Mikkalai 02:52, 19 Dec 2003 (UTC)

18th century Hungarian definitely isn't my area of expertise :-) However, I did have a look at the verbunkos article in the full Grove today, and it doesn't mention it ever being known as "verbunko" (I wouldn't take that as absolutely conclusive, but it's probably as good as we're going to get for now).

As for the csardas stuff, if you're sure it's correct, I'd say add that to the article by all means. --Camembert

Cartoon reference[edit]

The way it's phrased now makes it sound like Rhapsody Rabbit is similar to Who Framed Roger Rabbit, when in fact it's similar to The Cat Concerto. This needs to be reworded, though right now I can't think of a good way to do it.--AviDrissman 18:19, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I've expanded the animation history of Rhapsody #2, which should clarify the situation. Bjimba 20:49, 2005 Feb 21 (UTC)

#2 and #12 (aka "#2")[edit]

Information at allmusic.com is leading me to believe that both C#m Rhapsodies have been called "#2". I know there is sometimes confusing when you buy a CD as to which C#m Rhapsody you'll get. Could a clarifying point be added to explain this?

The main clarifying point is whether it is piano or orchestral. allmusic.com "When Liszt fashioned orchestral versions of six of the 19 Hungarian Rhapsodies for piano, he reordered them, thereby unintentionally creating some confusion that remains even today. As indicated in the headnote, this Rhapsody No. 2 for orchestra is a transcription of No. 12. But a note of caution must be given here: there have been several popular recordings that have revised Liszt's renumbering, returning the famous Rhapsody No. 2 (for piano) to its second position in the orchestral version." Jnavarra 20:31, 5 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

As it stands (24 Jan 2013), the text puts no. 2 in second and no. 12 in fourth, but the table has them the other way round. It needs fixing one way or the other, for consistency.86.4.253.180 (talk) 02:06, 24 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure the external link to the free mp3 site of Sean Bennett should be included as it is a version of a version of the original piece.

Worth mentioning?[edit]

These pieces heavily influences Brahms' Hungarian dances and Dvorak's Slavic dances. I find the resemblance so close it might be worth mentioning. Anyone else? MotherFunctor 02:23, 23 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Just found this, (it's circumstantial, though). http://cd.ciao.co.uk/Dvor_aacute_k_Slavonic_Dances_Brahms_Hungarian_Dances_Liszt_Hungarian_Rhapsodies__6073937 MotherFunctor 02:30, 23 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This is interesting: there is almost the exact same theme in Zigeunerweisen [1] (page 12) as in Hungarian Rhapsody #13 [2] (page 9) 71.102.216.101 (talk) 05:36, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The final section of the Hungarian Rhapsody No. 8 has the same material as the middle section of Brahms' Hungarian Dance No. 3 and a theme used in the Hungarian Rhapsody No. 12 is also used in Brahms' Hungarian Dance No. 15. Kostaki mou (talk) 22:03, 4 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

References introduced[edit]

The references have been introduce now, so I believe it's safe to remove the notice at the top of the page.81.155.67.201 18:29, 8 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Form[edit]

Is anyone going to manetion anything about the lassu-friss alternation of slow and fast music or anything else that woud have to do directly with the form of these pieces in this section. There's damn little as it is. Jonyungk (talk) 05:39, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

20th Hungarian rhapsody?[edit]

In the 1950's I read of an unpublished 20th rhapsody. It was said to be in a museum in Weimar. I do not know whether it survived World War II. Does anyone know about it? Scott Tillinghast, Houston TX (talk) 03:12, 25 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]