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Old talk[edit]

Is Tatar language also official in Bashkortostan? I was trying to give the name of the republics in English plus in all official languages of the republic. If Tatar is not an official language of Bashkortostan, then the Tatar name of the republic should probably be moved to the "Misc" section, if mentioned at all. If it is an official language, then the Tatar variant can stay in the introduction.--Ezhiki 17:24, Jul 5, 2004 (UTC)

Tatar Language is not an official language in Bashkortostan.-— Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.30.204.250 (talk) 04:49, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Meaningless?[edit]

"The head of government in Bashkortostan is the President, who is set by a President of Russian Federation for a four-year term." What does "who is set" mean?-— Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.134.117.117 (talk) 09:13, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It means "appointed". I have corrected the sentence. Thanks for pointing this out!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 19:33, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

Soviet Encyclopedia Now Russian Encyclopedia[edit]

@Регион102:, will we talk? Why did you return the Soviet encyclopedia? Potatite that writes Russian encyclopedia: В марте 1919 из южной части Уфимской губернии и северной части Оренбургской губернии организована вторая национальная автономия – т.н. малая Башкирская АССР (см. в статье Башкортостан; столица – Стерлитамак). In March 1919, the second national autonomy was organized from the southern part of the Ufa province and the northern part of the Orenburg province - the so-called Small Bashkir Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic (see the article Bashkortostan; the capital is Sterlitamak). In 1918 were formed Volga German Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic and Turkestan Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic, Is 1919 before 1918? Валко (talk) 12:59, 25 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Don't confuse Autonomy with Automous Republic. German Autonomy was founded in 1918, but it was begin Automous Republic only in 1923. Also Turkestan Republic formed in 1918, but status of Automous Republic it got in 1921. According to Great Soviet Encyclopedia Bashkir ASSR was the first Autonomous Soviet Republic in RSFSR. Russian text: явилась первой автономной советской республикой в составе РСФСР (link). --Rg102 14:34, 25 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- @Регион102:, и что заладил одно и тоже Советская энциклопедия? Сейчас это Российская энциклопедия, на улице 2020. А не 1950 год. БРЭ, я показал, башкирскую энциклопедию тоже вы видите? В 1922 с присоединением терр. бывшей Уфим. губ., где проживала б.ч. баш. нас., АСБР была преобразована в “Большую Башкирию” и была переименована в БАССР.

А автономными республиками все стали одновременно. В 1925 году по конституции РСФСР 1925. До этого автономный областной союз. Правку вашу, отменю. Будите спорить дальше, будем искать посредника или обратимся к администраторам. Валко (talk) 15:15, 25 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

From the fact that now is 2020 year, the date of establishment of BASSR (1919) in not changed. The autonomies listed by you were not autonomous republics at the time of their formation, they became autonomus republics after 1919. The Great Russian Encyclopedia doesn't say that the BASSR was the second autonomous republic. Your statement "all became autonomous republics simultaneously" does not stand up to criticism at all. --Rg102 19:27, 25 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

[1][2][3][4][5][6][7] until 1925, there was no such Autonomous Republic under the Constitution, it was an Autonomous regional Union. It is a commune, a region, and a Republic.

В октябре 1918 в Поволжье возникло первое национально-государственное образование в РСФСР – Немцев Поволжья трудовая коммуна – прообраз будущих АССР и АО [центры: в 1919–22 – город Баронск (в 1919–20 Екатериненштадт, с 1920 Марксштадт, ныне Маркс); в 1922–23 – город Покровск (ныне Энгельс). 
 В марте 1919 из южной части Уфимской губернии и северной части Оренбургской губернии организована вторая национальная автономия – т.н. малая Башкирская АССР (см. в статье Башкортостан; столица – Стерлитамак). Валко (talk) 16:12, 26 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Again. Don't confuse Autonomy with Autonomous Republic. Autonomy is a common name for different types of autonomous regions (Autonomous Workers Commune, Autonomous Oblast, Autonomous Republic). Autonomous Republic is a highest form of autonomy and BASSR was the first AR. German Autonomy was established in 1918 as a Autonomous Workers Commune (not Republic). Autonomous Republic it became only in 1923. The GRE does not say that the BASSR was the second autonomous republic. Your statement that there were no autonomous republics before 1925 is an original research. You give links that say about Bashkir Autonomous Republic in 1919 and in the same time you say that there were no autonomous republics before 1925. I think this is disruptive conduct and trolling. We should find mediators. No reason to continue this meaningless discussion. --Rg102 19:11, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Валко:, I think the further continuation of the dispute on this question [8], [9] was exhausted. Thanks! Buekturan (talk) 09:05, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

- @Buekturan:, вы СО читаете? Или мне нужно обратиться к администраторам? Валко (talk) 15:29, 25 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- @Buekturan:, [10] and [11] Валко (talk) 16:01, 25 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- @Валко:, You could even ask for help the holy father himself!)) And you? [12] Buekturan (talk) 17:46, 26 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  - - @Buekturan:,behave yourself, the Bashkir Soviet Republic was formed in 1919 [13][14][15][16][17][18][19] and remember, I’m not saying that Bashkir ASSR was not there, I’m saying that the Bashkir Soviet Republic was formed in 1919, and you know that.Валко (talk) 17:53, 26 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    - @Валко:, look here guy: [20], [21], [22], [23], [24], [25], [26], [27], [28], [29], [30], [31], [32], [33], [34], [35], [36], [37], [38] Buekturan (talk) 20:14, 26 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    - @Buekturan:, probably hard to live without understanding simple things. I'm talking about one thing about another.

The Bashkir Soviet Republic was formed in 1919, since 1922 after unification with the Ufa province it is already the Autonomous Bashkir Socialist Soviet Republic, and after 1936 the Bashkir Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic. Валко (talk) 15:51, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Валко:, let’s not involve in the bashkir history your private personal opinion, as there are authoritative sources and we gave their to you. Buekturan (talk) 16:20, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- - - @Buekturan:, then what? [39] you have a personal opinion, I show the sources. Атлас Союза Советских Социалистических Республик / [сост. и награв. в картоизд-ве НКВД РСФСР ; авт. предисл. А. Енукидзе. - Москва : Изд. ЦИК СССР, 1928] read, it is written:Вопрос об образовании Башкирской Республики впервые получил свое разрешение 23 марта 1919 г., когда состоялось соглашение между Российским Рабоче-Крестьянским Правительством и Башкирским Временным Правительством об образовании Башкирской Республики. Окончательное образование АБССР утверждено декретом ВЦИК от 14 июня 1922 г. Валко (talk) 16:35, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Stop your original researches about establishment date of BASSR. Bashkir ASSR was established in 1919 (not 1922 or 1925). You was indefinitely banned in Russian Wikipedia for this false theory. Now you introduce this false idea in English Wikipedia. --Rg102 19:23, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Bashkortostan is among the early autonomous national republics of modern Russia. The autonomy of Bashkortostan (Bashkurdistan in that date) was proclaimed on November 15, 1917. The Agreement of the Central Soviet Power with the Bashkir Government on the Soviet Autonomous Bashkiria of March 20, 1919, regularized the foundation of Bashkir Soviet Republic [40]. Зайцев Руслан Викторович (talk) 03:26, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The article should be updated[edit]

Some data are obsolete. Nothing about the war in Ukraine. https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/07/29/explosive-cocktail-the-russian-regions-recruiting-units-for-ukraine-war-a78269 Xx236 (talk) 12:10, 25 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"On separation of authorities and mutual delegating of powers among the organs of power of the Russian Federation and the organs of power of the Republic of Bashkortostan"[edit]

The agreement was signed and abolished. No details. Isa a non-autonomous republic still a republic Xx236 (talk) 12:12, 25 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

At the bottom of the "History" section it also says "This agreement was abolished on 7 July 2005." There's a lot of passive voice in this article, which leaves it ambiguous who did things. In this case, who abolished the agreement: Russian Duma, Putin, the state of Bashkortostan,...? Mcswell (talk) 14:53, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]