Talk:Detox (Dr. Dre album)
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- 1 "I Need A Doctor" is NOT Confirmed!
- 2 Liz Rodriguez or Rodrigues
- 3 Article issues
- 4 I Need A Doctor Release Date
- 5 Edit request from Supergamer345, 26 January 2011
- 6 Detox Release Date
- 7 Release Date
- 8 "Mr. Prescription" and "Chillin"
- 9 Why is The Chronic not in the cronology?
- 10 Edit request
- 11 "The Kill"
- 12 Die Hard featuring Eminem
- 13 Track List
- 14 Edit request from 184.108.40.206, 8 July 2011
- 15 Edit request from Ak1196, 11 July 2011
- 16 Edit request from Ricks22, 11 August 2011
- 17 September 13??
- 18 Edit request, 3 October 2011
- 19 2014
- 20 Detox headphones
- 21 Confirmed Tracks
- 22 Possible/Confirmed Tracks Section
- 23 Producers Section of Infobox
- 24 Possible Release Date.
- 25 Major Cleanup Effort
- 26 Auto Archive of Talk Page
- 27 Merger proposal
- 28 Request to unmerge article
- 29 Protected edit request on 16 January 2018
"I Need A Doctor" is NOT Confirmed!
The article cites this MTV article as confirming that "I Need A Doctor" is on Detox. No source has explicitly verified whether "I Need A Doctor" will be on Detox or not. Therefore, I propose that a Wikipedia editor should rectify this and remove "I Need A Doctor" from Confirmed Tracks until it is actually confirmed. 220.127.116.11 (talk) 19:00, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
Liz Rodriguez or Rodrigues
The page lists Liz Rodriguez as one of the appearing guest artists. If you click the name it just takes you to Eminem's album Recovery. There you can find Liz Rodrigues spelled with an "S" as one of the writers. Which spelling is correct? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 02:18, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
Album Arrives 4/20 http://www.rap-up.com/2011/01/17/dr-dre-announces-detox-release-date/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Carfreak490 (talk • contribs) 08:32, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
Currently it reads like a journal. In January ... xyz in February ABC... This needs addressing. Not only do the lack of paragraphs cause concern but effectively its just a series of quotes. Also there is some serious issues with some of the sourcing... in 2007 its claimed 18 songs were produced for Detox, then in 2008 Snoop Dogg claims the album is complete but still looking for songs (doesn't make sense), then October 2008 there's allegedly 400 recorded songs for the album then in Nov 2009 the album was planned to be completed. Seriously people we need some intelligent editing to work out that half of what's been reported is obviously bullshit. Furthermore what is labelled as background is infact just a series of statements and actually contains random information on guests, release dates and production. It should be re-organised and massively pruned. It seems like lots of random people are happy to say that they're involved in the project yet Dre has not confirmed nowhere near as much of the guests as claimed. -- Lil_℧niquℇ №1 [talk] 21:11, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
I Need A Doctor Release Date
According to Amazon.com the official release date for the next single "I Need A Doctor" featuring Eminem and Skylar Grey is February 1, 2011 and on the article it says that it is January 25, 2011. Dabradl (talk) 00:51, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
Edit request from Supergamer345, 26 January 2011
Change release date of "I need a Doctor.".
- Not done: New release date not supplied, nor is a source for the change provided. —C.Fred (talk) 03:06, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
Detox Release Date
- It's definitely not on the beats headphones site, thats for sure. Citation removal in order? April 1st isn't even a Tuesday! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 03:08, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
Dr. Dre has announced that Detox will be released on April 20. "4/20, baby," Dre said into the camera. "4/20, I'm coming."
The April 20 date falls on a Wednesday, which isn't the norm in music industry release dates, but the day is also a nod to the producer's first album, The Chronic
- Dr. Dre's representatives shot down the April 20th date as being the release date for Detox after this video was posted. This is outdated information that was disproved by Dre's own people and as far as anyone can back up, there is no official date yet. The April 20th date should be removed from the article unless there is a official source that can confirm it. Here is my source: http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1656142/dr-dres-detox-not-due-april-20-rep.jhtmlHoneycapsule (talk) 00:51, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
"Mr. Prescription" and "Chillin"
Two tracks leaked this past week, which were thought to be from Detox. "Chillin'" was played in clubs by Swizz, and then later performed by Dre and Swizz. Here's my reference http://www.taletela.com/news/5708/swizz-beatz-and-dr-dre-jump-on-the-mic-at-lollipop-mondays
"Mr. Prescription" sounds very rough, fake and just bad. I think it's fake, but some one keeps adding it to confirmed tracks, but with horrible references. Just one from a site with leaks, I think that user's account should be deleted for putting up false information, and if someone would please help me have "Chillin'" stay up there, I'd really appreciate it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stuartandtheave (talk • contribs) 02:51, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
- The source you are providing is an UNRELIABLE SOURCE. HipHopDX however is and it states in the discribtion "More Detox For ya" so its a Detox track. Unless you can provide a source proving that wrong then it stays. "Chillin" has not been confirmed anywhere as on Detox.
- Also your one to talk about false information with your long history of vandalism which is what your doing removing sourced content. STATic message me! 03:02, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
- Okay, but of course any recent Dr. Dre leak is going to thought to be from Detox. And in the video Swizz said "Let's hear some shit off the album!", so it has to be from Detox. And if you or whoever keeps adding "Mr. Prescription", you aren't providing any information that Dre or any one else has confirmed that it's real, and you didn't add Nikki Grier to confirmed guests either. And someone randomly keeps deleting the confirmed Jay-Z and Beyoncé collab on the album, so that's what I'm saying, and there are many other leaks that say something about how they may be on Detox, so I don't think "Mr. Prescription" should be left up for now, but neither should "Chillin'".
- Also Swizz said this on Twitter http://bossiptwitter.com/2011/03/26/therealswizzz-i-cant-wait-until-people-hear-the-real-version-of-chilling-dre-feat-swizz-i-hate-when-leaks-get-out-not-done-it-kills-the-art/ and the thing about me deleting "Mr. Prescription", is because it hasn't been officially confirmed by any one on the song or working with Dre. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stuartandtheave (talk • contribs) 02:51, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
- I actually wasn't the one who added the Jay and Beyoncé track, but the source was reliable, it's the same reference as in the confirmed guests where it says Beyoncé, but there is no name so I won't add it. But, back on the topic of "Mr. Prescription", it said it featured Sly, Nikki Grier and Slim da Mobster on some websites (http://www.streethop.com/2011/03/audio/dr-dre-feat-nikki-grier-sly-mr-prescription/ but they were calling Nikki "Sly Nikki Grier", so I don't know), and what about the Swizz track, I know that website isn't exactly a good source, but as I said earlier, Swizz did say it was from Detox in the live video, and he confirmed it was Dre feat Swizz, which is most likely from Detox. Could you at least add Swizz to the guests that may have been working on Detox? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stuartandtheave (talk • contribs) 02:51, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
- With unreliable sources you can't take even videos because you can't trust them to not mess with the audio. You can add Swizz Beatz to guests if you find a reliable source that says he's working on the album. I will fix the featuring credits on Mr. Prescription right now. STATic message me! 01:58, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
- Well what about how he confirmed it via twitter? I don't know if Dre confirmed it, but then again he didn't confirm "Mr. Prescription" either. Well he actually did confirm "Chillin'", but it was in thr video, which you said was an unreliable source. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 05:56, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
These arguments are inherently moot considering Detox is not being constructed traditionally with tracks being finished one by one. Whatever leaks or references to songs one hears about in interviews and whatnot doesn't mean anything except they may or may not have been recorded for Detox - nevermind the fact they may have never made the album in a million years. Bishop Lamont has also claimed Dr. Dre has 2,000-3,000 tracks he can pick and choose from to put on the album meaning that he obviously has a huge body of work from about a decade of off-and-on recording sessions.
It's also worth mentioning Dr. Dre has scrapped Detox entirely multiple times only to begin again. "Kush" and "I Need a Doctor" aren't even confirmed tracks in reality, and the further in 2011 we wait, the better chance they probably will not make the final album. Detox has morphed constantly throughout the years as a singular body of work. Editing crucial information for this album requires a certain kind of knowledge and context, not traditional sources and references used to declare things that do not reflect reality. "Mr. Prescription" was very obviously an unfinished leak, most likely recorded for Detox along with 1,000+ other songs, and "VIP Chillin'" was most likely recorded for Swizz Beatz's "Haute Living" during sessions with Dr. Dre - who did not produce it. To declare these are "Confirmed" songs or more likely than not to be on Detox is ludicrous. If we had third-hand information for the other thousands of songs Dr. Dre has recorded for Detox, would we reference these in the article? I would surely hope not. Nothing is confirmed until an official tracklist is publicly released and confirmed by Interscope and/or credible persons such as Dr. Dre, period. Everything else is rumor, inaccurate claims, or third-hand information by people deemed credible only when they aren't anymore credible than I am. -- Honeycapsule (talk) 01:57, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
Why is The Chronic not in the cronology?
I was just wondering why Dre's first solo album, The Chronic, isn't in the cronology?
- The Chronic isn't in the chronology because 2001 was the previous album before Detox.--Supergamer345 (talk) 17:46, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
The part listing Mr. Prescription as a confirmed track on Detox should be removed. The sources listed link to sites that say "According to Wiki, this is a confirmed track off of Detox." Meaning they are just cycling the info between them with no real source of confirmation. Until someone can provide a legitimate source, it should be rumored or removed. Thanks.
The Source doesn't know anything except that it was probably recorded, as have countless other tracks over the years, for Detox that will most likely have never been included anyway. It would be a stretch to interpret it as a definitive leak from a cohesive Detox album, it makes much more sense to interpret "More Detox for Ya!" as a leaked song that was recorded for the albumHoneycapsule (talk) 01:43, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
"The Kill" by Game, was included on his Purp & Patron mixtape, but it was confirmed by La Roux that it was sampled for Detox, not The R.E.D. Album. This is probably one of the songs that's gonna feature Game, and will recycle his verse (most likely), and explains the La Roux feature (which is really a sample of "In for the Kill").
Die Hard featuring Eminem
Okay, MTV, HipHopDX & All those reliable sources haven't said anything YET, but supposedly there is a new Dre & Eminem single coming May 6th. It was said on last nights episode of Fight Camp 360, just click here to see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APwNEWP3mT4#t=11m40s —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stuartandtheave (talk • contribs) 16:11, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
Tracklist: 1.Dr Dre Intro (Prod By DJ AGE 01. Dr Dre Intro (Prod By DJ AGE) 2.Kendrik Lamar Look Out For Detox (Detox Exclusive) 3.Dr Dre, Snoop Dogg, The Game - Kush (Remix) 4.Jay Rock Vs DJ AGE Kush (DJ AGE Remix) 5.Crooked I & Horse Shoe Gang Vs Dr Dre West Coast Super Kush 6.Dr Dre & Swizz Beatz Chillin (Detox Exclusive) 7.Dr Dre & Ludacris MVP (Detox Exclusive) 8.Ludacris OGz Theme (Detox Exclusive) 9.Dr Dre, 2 Pac & Jay Z- Under Pressure (DJ AGE Remix) 10.2Pac & Dr Dre Under Pressure (Thug Life Remix) 11.Crooked I, Dr Dre Under Pressure (C.O.B DJ AGE Remix) 12.Dr Dre - Mr Prescription (Detox Exclusive) 13.Eminem & Dr Dre Detox Spark 14.Dr Dre - Turn Me On (Detox Exclusive) 15.Dr Dre Vs Black & Mild Popped Off (DJ AGE Detox Remix) 16.Dr Dre, T.I. - Shit Popped Off (Detox Exclusive) 17.Dr Dre, T.I., Nas - Topless (Detox Exclusive) 18.Dr Dre & Snoop Dogg Dre Day (DJ AGE Remix) 19.Dr Dre, Eminem, Skylar Grey - I Need A Doctor (Detox Exclusive) 20.Dr Dre & Kendrick Lamar Hiii Power (Detox Exclusive) 21.Dr Dre & Bishop Lamont Rain (Detox Exclusive) 22.Slim The Mobster & Jayo Felony Funeral Music (Detox Exclusive) 23.Snoop Dogg Working On Detox 24.Hayes & Dr Dre Down Ass Bitch (Detox Exclusive) 25.Dr Dre, HittMann & Knoc'Turnal Bloww (Exclusive) 26.Dr Dre, Snoop Dogg & Nate Dogg There They Go (R.I.P Nate Dogg Tribute) 27.Dr Dre & Sam Sneed Hollywood (Detox Exclusive) 28.Dr Dre & E A-SKI- Split Personality (Detox Exclusive)
You do know that supposed tracklist is very obviously one to one of the many unofficial mixtapes right? There is no official tracklist to Detox just yet, it's insane to even assume Dr. Dre has picked one or even finished recording sessions. -- Honeycapsule (talk) 01:45, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
Edit request from 188.8.131.52, 8 July 2011
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Dextox is set to be released on April 20, 2012 ( 4:20)
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Jnorton7558 (talk) 12:26, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
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Change 2012 to 2011 as it is confirmed to be this year. It may change to next year but it is uncertain. It is meant to be this year and that information which is known should be portrayed.
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just add that Nas recently worked on the album with Dr. Dre http://rapradar.com/2011/08/11/nas-talks-amy-winehouse-detox/
Hey everyone i was just on amazon when i came across this:
it claimed that Detox was coming out on Sept. 13, 2011 (in 9 days) I need to know if someone could confirm this or offer me further info — Preceding unsigned comment added by Football946 (talk • contribs) 21:12, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
- I think we should wait till Dr. Dre himself gives an update. If he did, post the link. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 02:39, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
What I Think is funny is several members on Dre's website are saying September 16th. I looked at the amazon page closely It says the label is Universal Japan and its an "Audio CD [Import]" so it would make sense if it was released early in Japan (Sep. 13th) and came out a few days later in the US (Sep. 16th) like other albums have done before. But i do agree with Penguin wait until Dre, Interscope, Dre's Website, or another reliable source confirms this. Bend2pa (talk) 06:53, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
Edit request, 3 October 2011
Any reason there's two different release dates listed on the current wiki page (obviously overlooking the fact that nothing has been confirmed and there's no source)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 01:03, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
Hey I was just on Twitter with the D.O.C., and he told me that Detox was not coming out in 2011, The Psycho and Die hard WILL NOT BE ON THE ALBUM, and that they see a release date in the near future.
There should be some link to the special Detox headphones, the page says:
Beats™ Pro™ - Limited Editon Monster Pro Detox Over-the-Ear Headphones To celebrate the release of Dr. Dre’s highly anticipated album Detox, we’re introducing the limited edition Detox Pros so you can feel and hear the music how Dre intended. Uniquely styled by the Doctor himself with strong, yet lightweight aluminum construction to absorb heavy use in any environment. Detox Pro’s large, plush ear cushions add passive noise isolation and comfort for extended use. This is a must have product for any Dr. Dre fan and uncompromising premium audio seeker. You will not want to listen to Detox or any other of your favorite Dre beats on anything else. Pre-order today. Only a limited run has been produced, so get yours fast!
If there is going to be a Confirmed Tracks section then the tracks inside said section need to be Confirmed by a reputable source. I left the track on there because other editors removed other tracks but not that one, so maybe there is a source out there. But that source needs to be cited. ChadH (talk) 18:05, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
Possible/Confirmed Tracks Section
Die Hard Is not on the album http://www.aftermathmusic.com/blog/2011/05/07/die-hard/ Young World Was linked to a YouTube video that made no mention of Detox_(Dr._Dre_album) and YouTube is only reliable under certain circumstances.
- You have my complete support. This section seems to welcome false and unconfirmed information, so it's better off not even placed. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 18:38, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
- die hard i think thats some that are on detox 220.127.116.11 (talk) 05:28, 29 February 2012 (UTC) Dylan Antiunknown of Clone Wars Adventures :P
- As I stated above, Die Hard is not on the album. If you have a source for any confirmed tracks, then please share. And honestly this page is getting out of hand. The claimed, confirmed, or been seen in the studio paragraph is becoming worse than the Confirmed Tracks section... Of course all of these problems would be solved if he would just release the damn album! ChadH (talk) 19:41, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
Producers Section of Infobox
I cleaned out the Producer's section of the infobox because the people listed were speculative. I could not find confirmed producers. IMO the only confirmed producer is Dr. Dre himself. Please add producers if they are known and include sources ChadH (talk) 20:55, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
Possible Release Date.
on hmv's website there is a release date of 06-08-2012 link is shown below
http://hmv.com/hmvweb/displayProductDetails.do?ctx=280;0;-1;-1;-1&sku=649865 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 22:22, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
- Retail sites are one of the furthest things from a reliable source. SE KinG. User page. Talk. 03:51, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
- Agreed Most of the time, it is just a filler date because of their database implementation. We see this with video games also. We just have to wait until an official press release regarding the release date. ChadH (talk) 16:37, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
Major Cleanup Effort
We all know this article needs help but it's so out of control it is hard to know where to begin. Over the past several days this article has been vandalized mainly in the Guest and Production section. While these normally come in waves, that section needs major help as it is the primary source of vandalism (The release date is a close second).
This is what I propose, remove the Guest and Production section. It is a hotbed of speculation on a album we really know nothing about. Once official details about who is on the album has been released we can use the standard track listing template. Just look at the production section for the 2001 Album, nice and clean, concise.
Also, we should remove the Singles unless real sources define Kush_(song) and I_Need_a_Doctor are in fact official singles from Detox. Artist do release singles without being associated with an album. These songs do not mention Detox in their articles and given the little information we have, I do not feel there is reliable sources for those songs being on the album.
I would like to reach a WP:CONSENSUS here first before commencing.
- I may be alone on this idea but I believe the entire article needs to be rewrote. The majority of the information is outdated by a few years. The album has been re-recorded multiple times, thus the majority of the information is most likely false anyways. But I do agree that the 'Guests and Production' is in need of a MAJOR clean-up. It started out as sourced material but too many features and producers have been added under the radar. SE KinG. User page. Talk. 22:23, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
I reworked the 'Singles' section about a week ago and I just put in my rework of the 'Guests and production'. 'Guests and production' is now up to date with the sources provided. If any features or producers wish to be added to the article, they MUST be added with a new source. SE KinG. User page. Talk. 22:05, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
- Other artists such as Christina Milian who've had projects massively delayed and Eve had their projects redirected to their artists pages. As pointed out above some of this information is SO OUTDATED that perhaps the sources and even the songs are outdated. I reckon only 10% of the information is correct. The information has been chopped and changed so many times that its almost impossible to tell what from the information is a constructive edit. I would support this article being re-written. If i knew enough about the artist and had the time I'd propose to re-write the article like I've written previous seriously delayed album's such as Kelly Rowland's Here I Am, Leona Lewis's Glassheart or Jennifer Lopez's Love?. — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 [talk] 23:46, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
- I agree. I wouldn't mind the article being redirected to Dr. Dre. That would be very controversial move though. As I was re-working the 'Guests and production' I realized how many of the features were confirmed in like 2008, and since then Dre has confirmed that the album has been re-recorded numerous times. There is no information that seems to be current at the moment. SE KinG. User page. Talk. 00:33, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks SE KinG! --ChadH (talk) 23:46, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
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