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Source[edit]

This is from the US government, and is in the public domain. Greenmountainboy 13:26, 11 Dec 2003 (UTC)

What's your point? ICE77 (talk) 23:02, 14 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Inconsistencies[edit]

Date of Emmett birth (1871) is inconsistent with Emmett Dalton artilce (1866). There is also: On February 6, 1891, after Bob Dalton had joined his brothers in California... - shouldn't it be Grat, to be consistent with previous part of article? Pibwl ←« 21:03, 16 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

From what I see Emmett was born in 1871 and the article Grat joined. I assume it's been corrected. ICE77 (talk) 23:07, 14 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Recruitment[edit]

According to this article, "Bob recruited [...] to ride with him and his brother Emmett. Grat was visiting his brother Bill in California when the gang was formed, but joined it later"; There is an inconsistency with the article on Gratton Dalton, which states "He [Gratton Dalton] formed his gang. Its first members were his brother Bob Dalton, [...]. Emmett Dalton would later join also. --Kwakeroni (talk) 12:05, 28 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Shirttail relative[edit]

Sorry, I don't know the meaning of the term, and my edition of the COD doesn't recognise it. Grant McKenna 18:04, 24 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A "shirt-tail relative" (more commonly, "shirt-tail cousin") is a more or less distant relation, the exact connection to whom you may not be quite sure of. When several related families live in the same area for several generations, and frequently intermarry, there are apt to be numerous younger people who perhaps are cousins in more than one way -- but they're all acknowledged as "shirt-tail cousins." --Michael K Smith^Talk 21:14, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Errors[edit]

Several points of this article are not correct. A number of books exist from around the time of the Dalton Gang, a few years after. I NEVER read about the California stuff. The folklore of the time had them mainly in Oklahoma, Missourri and Kansas.

Irish?[edit]

It may be a coincidence but the names Gratton (Grattan) and Emmett (Robert Emmett) are very significant in Irish history. There are many Daltons too in Ireland. Does anyone know if the family was originally Irish? 202.139.20.24 (talk) 00:51, 3 October 2011 (UTC) Jim McCrudden.[reply]

Relatives in Coffeyville[edit]

Bill Powers still has relatives in Coffeyville, and there accounts are not the same either.

Museum[edit]

I suggest that anyone wanting to research The Dalton Gang check out The Dalton Museum In Coffeyville, Ks. It is true that the citizens of Coffeyville milked the event for all they could, the museum holds many, many relics from this, "The Last Great Gunfight of the Wild West."

It is true that Bob Dalton wanted to out do Jesse James. It is probably true that the gang tried to hide their identities when they rode into Coffeyville, but they did not have fake beards as this report claims. (These items WOULD BE in the museum if they were real!!!)

Please check out the Dalton Museum in Coffeyville for more reliable information. Lew Bell69.247.160.229 23:49, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

How many Dalton brothers were there altogether?[edit]

Thanks, Maikel (talk) 12:30, 6 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Questions and comments[edit]

This article was rather interesting. The story behind the Dalton Gang is truly interesting. I have a few comments.

1. I see that the article counts 8 members in the Dalton Gang. From what I see, it lists 10. The names are “Blackfaced” Charlie Bryant (+ June 1892), Bob Dalton, Dick Broadwell, Bill Power, Grat Dalton (all 4 + Oct 1892), Bill Dalton (+ 1894), George “Bitter Creek”, Charlie Pierce (the 2 +1895), Bill Doolin (+ 1896) and Emmett Dalton (+ 1937).

Is it 8 or then 10?

2. The image of the grave in Coffeyville in the “Coffeyville bank robbery” section shows only 3 names: Bob Dalton, Grat Dalton and Bill Power.

What about Dick Broadwell? Is he buried somewhere else?

3a. The “Coffeyville bank robbery” section implies that Emmett Dalton was part of a quintet in Coffeyville but it does not specifically state this until you read about Emmett taking 23 bullets. This quintet should be introduced more specifically before the event of 1892.

3b. The “Coffeyville bank robbery” section does not say anything about George “Bitter Creek” and Charlie Pierce. It should say how they got killed in 1895 for completeness.

3c. The last two paragraphs of the “Coffeyville bank robbery” section tell events that are not related to the title of the section itself. The section should be split in two.

3d. I created the gallery out of the “Coffeyville bank robbery”. I believe images of the other members of the gang are not available. If they are, please add as necessary in alphabetical order.

ICE77 (talk) 23:12, 14 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Ethnicity?[edit]

I don't understand why their ethnicity is important for the article? Not only does it add nothing to the article as a whole, but it is also incorrect, as "White" is not an ethnicity by definition. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SuperSoda (talk • contribs) 00:08, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Problems[edit]

This article is a morass of uncited purple prose. Anyone care to fix it? Kafka Liz ^{A girl is no one} 03:13, 11 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I’ve obtained a copy of Latta’s “Dalton Gang Days”, which seems to be the basis of much of this article and is one of the few cited sources. It is a primary source at best, and it reads like a cheap novelisation. Without better sources, a lot of this article will have to go. Kafka Liz ^{A girl is no one} 09:06, 18 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Photo of corpses[edit]

Hi all. How do we feel about the picture of corpses (ones that suffered violent deaths) in the infobox? Reading WP:OM, I realize this isn't forbidden, but my reading of the guidance is that it should be either replaced by an alternative if one exists (I didn't immediately find one), or perhaps removed, since it isn't necessary to comprehension. Anyone on this Talk page have some experience with these issues? Robincantin (talk) 20:10, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Robincantin, since we have individual photos of Bob Dalton, Grat Dalton and Emmett Dalton, a collage of those three could be created for the infobox, and the photo of the corpses could be moved to the Coffeeville bank robbery section. Cullen328 (talk) 17:39, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]