Talk:John Graves Simcoe

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New definition of territory[edit]

I revised the definition of the territory of Upper Canada in conformity with this authority. John FitzGerald 18:39, 2 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Picture of statue[edit]

Would this picture [1] be a useful addition? It's licensed {{cc-by-2.0}}, and thus available for us. — Catherine\talk 16:30, 18 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Family[edit]

Removed below until a section can be properly formulated. Alphageekpa 16:01, 29 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Simcoe's other children and descendants included:

The article says 1791. The above section is wrong. Vandalism perhaps? -Dhodges (talk) 21:38, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Removed from Article[edit]

I removed copy below from the article, pending rewrite and addition of citations. This has clear NPOV issues that need to be addressed, and many statements/claims introduced by the author require citations. Alphageekpa 15:02, 14 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Simcoe picked up a few tricks, as many had done in the government of that time and still today, seen how other officials were rewriting procedure, so he thought, why not him. He rewrote the Haldimand Deed in the effort to trim some land from the Six Nations proclamated land. He cited the excuse that it would take to long to properly measure and lay out the six mile boundry on each side of the Grand River. So he rewrote the Deed to say that the main body of the river would be only assumed. Once Simcoe wrote out his great idea, he began to sell and give away land, first to his cronies and family, then to anyone that could clear out a road of trees in the front of their proposed site on which they going to squat. This went on for a number of years until it came time to square up with the aboriginals of Six Nations, being that the canadian government still continues to genocide natives, excuses were made as to why the people of Six Nations were starving. He was charged accordingly to his fraud and misappropriation of funds and was found guity, then he was called back to Britain for his decommission. Not the other things they want you to believe about his career. That was far as it went, other than the denial machine that came into effect on any aboriginal claim, this how the "Status Quo" was started. If the canadian government can pick up on how to illegally remove land and resources from the aboriginal people of Six Nations, then maybe they can pick up a few tricks on how to be honest. The squatting on Crown Land is one thing, but to continue this illegal practice over, to land that was proclamated, is just done right criminal. Those europeans of that time and the europeans of this time, play the same game of ignorance, you will notice,they could be far away, this is when you see someone with their hands in the air, palms up, speaking in a foreign language. Their same game seems to work well on many fronts, just watch parliament at around question period. The simcoe patent stole over 300 000 acres of land from the Six Nations people, all that anyone has to do is to go to the northern end of the Grand River and see, just look at the people there, who are they mainly, bettter yet go to the Telephone book and look up the sir names of these people, it not hrd to realize.

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Identify First Nations that became allies[edit]

I agree that it would be useful to identify the First Nations that he negotiated with as allies.I would think they would include the Six Nations of the Iroquois who resettled in Canada. Maybe also the Seven Nations who had been allies during the Revolution; there is overlap among these groups.Parkwells (talk) 17:41, 28 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

"Simcoe commanded a massacre of ten Americans in their sleep"[edit]

It is unclear to me here if the victims here were rebel/patriot soldiers or civilians. If it's the former the use of the word "massacre" seems a bit loaded. Am I missing some context here? Either way I think it would be helpful to specify the status of the victims. T.plicata (talk) 17:29, 15 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Call for discussion[edit]

I think the article's coverage of Simcoe's role in dis-establishing slavery requires more work. It currently says:

Slavery was thus ended in Upper Canada long before it was abolished in the British Empire as a whole. By 1810, there were no slaves in Upper Canada, but the Crown did not abolish slavery throughout the Empire until 1834.

His act didn't END slavery. United Empire Loyalists who brought slaves into Upper Canada, prior to the passage of the act, were grandfathered.

In his memoir Toronto of Old, Henry Scadding writes

For the romantic sound of the name, the tall, comely negress, Amy Pompadour, should also be mentioned in the record. But she was of servile descent: at the time at which we write slavery was only just dying out in Upper Canada, as we shall have occasion to note hereafter more at large.

Scadding didn't come to Canada, until 1821. So, was Amy still a slave in 1821?

I did some work on slavery in Upper Canada, and I searched, in vain, for an RS with a date for the manumission or death of the last slave in Upper Canada, so I am not happy that we have an unreferenced date here. Geo Swan (talk) 05:55, 21 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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