Talk:Law and Justice

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This article was nominated for merging with United Right (Poland) on 17 June 2020. The result of the discussion was oppose.

January 2024[edit]

PIS should be centre-right to right-wing because it has become less populist and nationalist over the years, e.g. Morawiecki supporting compromise on abortion. Not to mention Poland developing an internationalist stance on The Refugees from Ukraine since 2022. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a00:23c7:489b:ff01:55c:7721:75ee:490b (talk • contribs)

PiS is not supporting "compromise on abortion" despite some singular politician claiming otherwise. Their fall to populism and authoritarianism grew stronger with each year. YBSOne (talk) 23:18, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So-called "compromise on abortion" is hardly a yardstick for the position on the political spectrum. — kashmīrī ^TALK 23:51, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not to mention that only caucasian and christian refugees were allowed from Belarus and Ukraine, not from Syria or Iran or Africa or Afghanistan. That "internationalism" is more like a select-nationalism. Also Morawiecki is known for being untruthful and a populist, he will tell everything that is currently suiting his needs or image. YBSOne (talk) 11:28, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Recent move and why I think it should be reverted[edit]

Hi everyone, I just noticed that somebody moved Law and Justice to Law and Justice (Poland). Does anybody knows if it was discussed anywhere? I feel like it's a huge change that should have been discussed. Anyway, I think it should be reverted. Law and Justice in Poland is old and one of the most influential parties in the country, and I dare to say, quite important Europe-wise. Meanwhile Law and Justice (Croatia) was founded 2 months ago, and won almost nothing in elections. I feel like L&J Poland is more dominant and should keep "Law and Justice" name while the disambiguation page should be moved to "Law and Justice (disambiguation)".Artemis Andromeda (talk) 23:47, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have moved it back. The Polish party is clearly the primary topic IMO. Cheers, Number 5 7 15:42, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I fully agree with Number 57, that move was questionable and I while I am sure that our Croatian friends had good intentions, the difference here is clear.

For my research on Samoobrona, I also ended up creating a page for all of the splinters from it. One of the splinters is People's National Movement (Poland). I did not make a disambiguation for "People's National Movement", because there already is a party called People's National Movement, which has existed for nearly 70 years now and which is the ruling party in Trinidad and Tobago. Meanwhile the Polish one existed for merely 3 months. Which means it does not warrant a disambiguation and equal treatment. Brat Forelli🦊 15:50, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Full agreement with Number 57, as per WP:PRITOP.— Autospark (talk) 15:53, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pileon agree; the ruling party of Poland is the clear PTOPIC. Queen of ♡ | Speak 23:06, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There are now more than 1,000 articles linking to "Law and Justice (Poland)" instead of "Law and Justice". That should be corrected. --Checco (talk) 13:37, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Improper name translation[edit]

As a proper name, it shouldn't be translated at all, for example Danish Venstre, Spanish Sumar. Word 'prawo' has several meanings and it's used on purpose. Maybe there should be a side note with more detailed explanation about the name. Wiki is tricky (talk) 13:55, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is policy that Wikipedia should reflect WP:reliable sources. English-language reliable sources refer to the party as "Law and Justice" so Wikipedia does, too. If you think, the party name shouldn't be translated, you'd have to tell that to the reliable sources we rely on. Maybe there should be a side note with more detailed explanation about the name. If reliable sources make a point of explaining this, we can, too. Otherwise, we probably shouldn't. Kind regards, Robby.is.on (talk) 17:21, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What’s is the reliable source in this case? Wiki is tricky (talk) 18:25, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, what do you mean? Robby.is.on (talk) 18:28, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What are the English reliable sources that refer to the party as 'law and justice'? Wiki is tricky (talk) 18:53, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I reckon you could check any of the ones currently used in the article. Robby.is.on (talk) 19:03, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think we're not on the same page. My point is that official name of the party is 'prawo i sprawiedliwość' which can be found in the statute of party accepted by court. 'law and justice' is not official name it's English translation commonly used for convenience of English speakers and it's not perfect. 'Prawo i sprawiedliwość' is a brand name and should be used as a page name for the article. 'law and justice' should be a side note not the main name. I've pointed out as an example Danish party 'venstre' where page name of the article uses original Danish name. Wiki is tricky (talk) 11:35, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please see WP:COMMONNAME and WP:CRITERIA. WP:CRITERIA states: "Article titles are based on how reliable English-language sources refer to the article's subject."

English-language sources refer to the Danish party as "Venstre" so we use that. For the Polish party, the WP:COMMONNAME is "Law and Justice". Robby.is.on (talk) 16:53, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]