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The insertion of a comment on the Treaty of Ghent (End of the War of 1812) is not correct. The Treaty does not agree to end slavery.

Article 1 allows for return of all possessions taken from either party, including "slaves or other private property". The treaty does refer to the slave trade (not slavery itself). Article 10 states "Whereas the traffic in slaves is irreconcileable with the principles of humanity and justice, and whereas both his Majesty and the United States are desirous of continuing their efforts to promote its entire abolition, it is hereby agreed that both the contracting parties shall use their best endeavors to accomplish so desirable an object."

Italics[edit]

Use of italics on this page is really strange. Could anyone explain this? Juan Ponderas 03:41, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Harmful effects[edit]

The manipulation of the U. S. Constitution by the production of Gag rules injured the image of the U. S. Constitution in the eyes of the citizens of the United States. Afterwards, the slave States concluded that they could ignore the U. S. Constitution and secede from the Union.

141.151.176.156 14:43, 12 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Since the First Constitutional Amendment had been abridged by the Congressmen, the supreme law of the land lost some of its inviolability. However, the single greatest cause of the War Between the States was the enormous gulf in wealth which had developed. Northerners were building savings banks at the rate of approximately ten per year. Southerners were "the working poor" in the 1850s. Superslum 00:19, 19 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

MULTIPLICITY[edit]

Contributors to this article should keep it in mind that there were various gag rules. THE should be "THOSE" gag rules.

At one time, this article named and scantily explained the different gag rules. Some person has destroyed the content, for some reason. 71.253.55.81 07:05, 29 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Revisionists are at work[edit]

Gag Rule is an article which has been changed so many times that it is now only a grotesque shell of what it had been a year ago. It has been given a new slant. It pretends that southerners forced slavery on northerners. It bypasses the real facts, which are that pro-slavery Democrats held top governmental offices in northern States such as New York, New Hampshire, and Maine. President Martin van Buren was a pro-slavery Democrat from New York.

Pro-slavery Democrats were created about seven years after the Treaty of Ghent was ratified by Congress in 1815. The Treaty of Ghent included an agreement that both nations would take steps to end slavery. England gradually ended slavery throughout the British Empire by the end of 1835. The United States enacted a series of Acts of Congress (known as "gag rules") which ignored the provision in the Treaty of Ghent that required a cessation of slavery. In effect, the Americans employed their "gag rules" to revise the Treaty of Ghent and thereby to keep slavery in their nation.

Revisionists are busily changing many of the articles in Wikipedia. Basically, revisionists are removing important materials and inserting vacuous materials into articles. Important materials removed from the Gag Rule article were these:

  • Presidents Jackson and van Buren were pro-slavery Democrats
  • The Treaty of Ghent specified that slavery would cease
  • There was a series of "gag rules" (not just one)
  • One of the "gag rules" was named the Atherton gag, probably because it was originated by (Congressman or Senator) Charles Gordon Atherton of New Hampshire (which is a northern State)

It is possible that the title of the page was changed from Gag rule to Gag Rule in order to obliterate the original page. Over the span of a year, revisionists have removed the important information from the page, thereby creating a worthless page. 71.240.42.72 11:33, 25 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Democrats advocated slavery[edit]

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Between 1815 and 1865, more than 200 Democrats served as State Governors in the United States. The State Governors who were Democrats are placed closest to the left edge of the page. A # sign indicates each Democrat. The political party of each Governor who was not a Democrat follows his name.

  • Alabama
  • W. W. Bibb (Territorial Governor) (1817-19)
W. W. Bibb (1819-20) #
Thomas Bibb (1820-21) #
Israel Pickens (1821-25) #
John Murphy (1825-29) #
Gabriel Moore (1829-31) #
Samuel B. Moore (1831) #
John Gayle (1831-35) #
Clement C. Clay (1835-37) #
Hugh McVay (1837) #
Arthur P. Bagby (1837-41) #
Benjamin Fitzpatrick (1841-45) #
Joshua L. Martin (1845-47) #
Reuben Chapman (1847-49) #
Henry W. Collier (1849-53) #
John A. Winston (1853-57) #
Andrew B. Moore (1857-61) #
John G. Shorter (1861-63) #
Thomas H. Watts (1863-65) #
  • Arkansas
James S. Conway (1836-40) #
Archibald Yell (1840-44) #
Samuel Adams (1844) #
Thomas S. Drew (1844-48) #
John S. Roane (1848-52) #
Elias N. Conway (1852-60) #
Henry M. Rector (1860-62) #
Harris Flanagan (1862-64) #
  • California
Peter H. Burnett (1849-51) #
John McDougal (1851-52) #
John Bigler (1852-56) #
John B. Weller (1858-60) #
Milton S. Latham (1860) #
John G. Downey (1860-61) #
  • Connecticut
H. W. Edwards (1833-34) #
H. W. Edwards (1835-38) #
C. F. Cleveland (1842-44) #
Isaac Toucey (1846-47) #
Thomas H. Seymour (1850-54) #
  • Henry Dutton (Whig) (1854-55)
  • W. T. Minor (Know-Nothing) (1855-57)
  • A. H. Holley (Whig) (1857-58)
  • W. A. Buckingham (Republican) 1858-66)
  • Delaware
William Tharp (1847-51) #
William H. Ross (1851-55) #
William Burton (1859-63) #
  • Florida
James E. Broome (1853-57) #
Madison S. Perry (1857-1861) #
John Milton (1861-65) #
  • Georgia
  • George R. Gilmer (National Republican [later Whig]) (1829-31)
Wilson Lumpkin (1831-35) #
William Schley (1835-37) #
  • George R. Gilmer (Whig) (1837-39)
Charles A. Macdonald (1839-43) #
George W. Crawford (1843-47) #
George W. B. Towns (1847-51) #
Howell Cobb (1851-53) #
Herschel V. Johnson (1853-57) #
Joseph E. Brown (1857-65) #
James Johnson (1865) #
Charles J. Jenkins (1865-67) #
  • Illinois
Shadrach Bond (1818-22) #
Edward Coles (1822-26) #
Ninian Edwards (1826-30) #
John Reynolds (1830-34) #
Joseph Duncan (1834-38) #
Thomas Carlin (1838-42) #
Thomas Ford (1842-46) #
Augustus C. French (1846-53) #
Joel A. Matteson (1853-57) #
  • Indiana
James Whitcomb (1843-49) #
Joseph A. Wright (1849-57) #
Ashbel P. Willard (1857-61) #
  • Henry S. Lane (Republican) (1861)
  • Kansas
  • Kentucky
  • John Desha (Democrat-Republican) (1824-28)
Thomas Metcalf (Clay Democrat) (1828-32) #
John Breathitt (Jackson Democrat) (1832-34) #
James T. Morehead (Jackson Democrat) (1834-36) #
John Helm (1850-51) #
Lazarus Powell (1851-55) #
  • Charles Morehead (Whig) 1855-59)
Beriah Magoffin (1859-62) #
James Robinson (1862-63) #
Thomas E. Bramlette (1863-67) #
  • Louisiana
Isaac Johnson (1846-50) #
Joseph Walker (1850-53) #
Paul Octave Hérbert (1853-56) #
Robert C. Wickliffe (1856-60) #
Thomas O. Moore (1860-62) #
James M. Wells (1865-67) #
  • Maine
William King (1820-21) #
William D. Williamson (acting) (1821) #
Albion K. Parris (1822-27) #
Enoch Lincoln (1827-29) #
Nathan Cutler (acting) (1829-30) #
Jonathan D. Hunton (1830-31) #
Samuel E. Smith (1831-34) #
Robert P. Dunlap (1834-38) #
John Fairfield (1839-40) #
John Fairfield (1841-43) #
Edward Kavanagh (1843-44) #
Hugh J. Anderson (1844-47) #
John W. Dana (1847-50) #
John Hubbard (1850-53) #
  • William G. Crosby (Whig and Free Soil) (1853-55)
  • Anson P. Morrill (Republican) (1855-56)
Samuel Wells (1856-57) #
  • Maryland
  • Joseph Kent (Democratic-Republican) (1825-28)
  • Daniel Martin (Anti-Jackson) (1828-29)
Thomas K. Carroll (1829-30) #
William Grayson (1838-41) #
Francis Thomas (1841-44) #
Philip F. Thomas (1847-50) #
Enoch L. Lowe (1850-53) #
Thomas W. Ligon (1852-58) #
  • Massachusetts
Marcus Morton (1840-41) #
Marcus Morton (1843-44) #
  • Michigan
Stevens T. Mason (1836-40) #
John S. Barry (1842-46) #
Alpheus Felch (1846-47) #
John S. Barry (1850-52) #
Robert McClelland (1852-53) #
Andrew Parsons (acting) (1853-55) #
  • Minnesota
Henry H. Sibley (1858-60) #
  • Mississippi
George Poindexter (1820-22) #
Walter Leake (1822-25) #
Gerard C. Brandon (ad int.) (1825)
David Holmes (ad int,) (1826)
Gerard C. Brandon (1827) #
Gerard C. Brandon (1828-32) #
Abram M. Scott (1832-33) #
Charles Lynch (ad int.) (1833) #
Hiram Runnels (1833-35) #
Charles Lynch (1836-38) #
Alexander G. McNutt (1838-42) #
Tilghman M. Tucker (1842-44) #
Albert G. Brown (1844-48) #
Joseph W. Matthews (1848-50) #
John A. Quitman (1850-51) #
John I. Guion (ad int.) (1851) #
James Whitfield (ad int) (1851) #
John J. McRae (1854-58) #
William McWillie (1858-60) #
John J. Pettus (1860-62) #
Jacob Thompson (1862-64) #
Charles Clarke (1864-65) #
W. L. Sharkey (Provisional) (1865)
Benjamin G. Humphreys (1865-68) #
  • Missouri
Alexander McNair (1820-24) #
Frederick Bates (1824-25) #
Abraham J. Williams (1825) #
John Miller (1825-32) #
Daniel Dunklin (1832-36) #
Lilburn W. Boggs (1836-40) #
Thomas Reynolds (1840-44) #
John C. Edwards (1844-48) #
Augstin A. King (1848-52) #
Sterling Price (1852-56) #
Trusten Polk (1856-57) #
Hancock Jackson (1857) #
Robert M. Stewart (1857-61) #
Claiborne F. Jackson (1861) #
  • New Hampshire
John Bell (1829-30) #
Matthew Harvey (1830-31) #
Joseph M. Harvey (acting) (1831) #
Samuel Dinsmoor (1831-34) #
William Badger (1834-36) #
Isaac Hill (1836-39) #
John Page (1839-42) #
Henry Hubbard (1842-44) #
John H. Steele (1844-46) #
Anthony Colby (1846-47) #
Jared W. Williams (1847-49) #
Samuel Dinsmoor (1849-52) #
Noah Martin (1852-54) #
Nathaniel B. Baker (1854-55) #
William Haile (1857-59) #
  • New Jersey
Garret D. Wall (declined) (1829) #
Peter D. Vroom (1829-32) #
Elias P. Seely (1833) #
Peter D. Vroom (1833-36) #
Philemon Dickerson (1836-37) #
Daniel Haines (1843-44) #
Daniel Haines (1848-51) #
George F. Fort (1851-54) #
Rodman M. Price (1854-57) #
Joel Parker (1863-66) #
  • New York
  • Nathaniel Pitcher (acting) (Democratic-Republican) (1828-29)
Martin Van Buren (1829) #
Enos T. Throop (acting) (1829-31) #
Enos T. Throop (1831-33) #
William L. Marcy (1833-39) #
William C. Bouck (1843-45) #
Silas Wright (1846-47) #
Horatio Seymour (1853-55) #
Horatio Seymour (1863-65) #
  • North Carolina
James Iredell (1827-28) #
John Owen (1828-30) #
Montfort Stokes (1830-32) #
David L. Swain (1832-35) #
Richard Dobbs Spaight, Jr. (1835-37) #
David S. Reid (1851-54) #
Warren Winslow (acting) (1854-55) #
Thomas Bragg (1855-59) #
John W. Ellis (1859-61) #
H. T. Clark (acting) (1861-62) #
Zebulon B. Vance (1862-65) #
  • Ohio
Wilson Shannon (1838-40) #
Wilson Shannon (1842-44) #
T. W. Hartley (acting) (1844) #
Reuben Wood (1850-53) #
William Medill (acting) (1853-54) #
William Medill (1854-56) #
  • Oregon
John Whiteaker (1859-62) #
  • Addison C. Gibbs (Republican) (1862-66)
  • Pennsylvania
David Rittenhouse Porter (1839-45) #
Francis Rawn Shunk (1845-48) #
William Bigler 1852-55) #
James Pollock (1855-58) #
William Fisher Packer (1858-61) #

Governors Porter, Shunk, Bigler, Pollock and Packer were in a political party called "Democratic" (in Pennsylvania).

  • Rhode Island
  • South Carolina
Stephen D. Miller (1828-30) #
James Hamilton (1830-32) #
Robert Y. Hayne (1832-34) #
George McDuffie (1834-36) #
Pierce M. Butler (1836-38) #
Patrick Noble (1838-40) #
John P. Richardson (1840-42) #
James H. Hammond (1842-44) #
William Aiken (1844-46) #
David Johnson (1846-48) #
W. B. Seabrook (1848-50) #
John H. Means (1850-52) #
John L. Manning (1852-54) #
James H. Adams (1854-56) #
Robert F. W. Allston (1856-58) #
William H. Gist (1858-60) #
Francis W. Pickens (1860-62) #
M. L. Bonham (1862-64) #
A. G. Magrath (1864-65) #
  • Tennessee
William Carroll (1829-35) #
Newton Cannon (States-Rights Democrat) (1835-39) #
James K. Polk (1839-41) #
Aaron V. Brown (1845-47) #
William Trousdale (1849-51) #
Andrew Johnson (1853-57) #
Isham G. Harris (1857-62) #
  • Texas
James P. Henderson (1846-47) #
George T. Wood (1847-49) #
P. Hansborough Bell (1849-53) #
Elisha M. Pease (1853-57) #
Hardin Richard Runnels (1857-59) #
Edward Clark (acting) (1861) #
Francis R. Lubbock (1861-63) #
Pendleton Murrah (1863-65) #
  • Vermont
  • Virginia
John Floyd (1830-34) #
Littleton Waller Tazewell (1834-36) #
Wyndham Robertson (acting) (1836-37) #
William Smith (1846-49) #
John Buchanan Floyd (1849-52) #
Joseph Johnson (1852-56) #
Henry Alexander Wise (1856-60) #
John Letcher (1860-64) #
William Smith (1864-65) #
  • West Virginia
  • Wisconsin
Nelson Dewey (1848-52) #
William A. Barstow (1854-56) #

This list of State Governors provides information that conveys the general attitude that voters in the United States held towards slavery. Democrats promoted slavery. Men in the Whig Party were the primary group that opposed Democrats.

They were voting for Democrats in New England, too. Superslum 15:35, 28 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Article destruction[edit]

Gag Rule is an article which has been shredded into nothingness. Now, it has no value. Reading it is a waste of time. Wikipedia takes the approach that each apple on a tree is more important than the tree itself. Wikipedia ought to recognize that some of the apples on a tree may contain worms. Superslum 00:57, 30 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wikification tag[edit]

The article seems to meet Wikification standards, so I am removing the tag. - Conrad Devonshire 22:13, 21 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Rule XX1 Link Needs Updating[edit]

Can someone update the rule XX1 link? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.61.17.79 (talk) 20:56, 16 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Done. --Error -128 (talk) 23:58, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Separate Article covering Gag Rule Debates in US[edit]

The Gag Rule debates were a significant part of the events leading up to the American Civi War. It deserves its own article, especially since the material in this article unrelated to it (which makes up the entire article lead) contains little of interest or significance in its current form and there appears to be no interest in expanding it. Absent some objections, I intend in the near future to create a new article titled something like "Gag Rule Debates in the United States Congress." Tom (North Shoreman) (talk) 21:28, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Can I assume nobody cares what I do? Tom (North Shoreman) (talk) 01:05, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Article name[edit]

@Deisenbe: The current article name isn't precise since there are other gag rules in the United States, such as the Mexico City policy. This article is now specifically about the gag rule on slavery, and the article name should reflect that. Do you have a better suggestion? Antony–22 (talk⁄contribs) 06:49, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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