Talk:Violet Trefusis

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Biography assessment rating comment[edit]

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The article may be improved by following the WikiProject Biography 11 easy steps to producing at least a B article. -- Yamara 17:05, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Even after my cleanups, I'm demoting it to Start class. The nature of her life is, of course, one of gossip and scandal, but the article has to go farther in neutrality and encyclopedic tone. Not to mention things like references, pictures, infobox, etc. -- Yamara 17:55, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion[edit]

Spoiler warning? Why is there a spoiler warning for a non-fictional person? Nik42 09:03, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)

What's all the bolding for...? AnonMoos 19:13, 12 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"Violet and Vita" appear in the title track from Al Stewart's Between the Wars, running "Through the streets of Paris/Their laughter floating through the dark". Asat 21:30, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Neat! -- Yamara 17:05, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Major reversion[edit]

I reverted this article from the unwikified state I found it in to the version of Aug. 18, 2007, last edited by User:SatyrTN. Work done since that time has been lost, but the old version strikes me as so manifestly superior to the version I happened upon — having references, wikilinks, and other good things that the last version lacked — that I thought it best to simply discard more than a month's work of edits on the bad one. You may proceed to throw rocks and stones at me. - Smerdis of Tlön 14:10, 25 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Why on earth does someone having an affair warrant a whole paragraph on wikipedia? It's ludicrous. I move to have the whole thing removed. Get a life, people. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.100.252.153 (talk) 21:49, 31 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comparing and contrasting[edit]

We read: 'An essential difference between Mrs Keppel and Sackville-West seems to be that Mrs Keppel took care never to distress her lovers (and their marriages), thus advancing her family socially and financially, while Sackville-West caused broken hearts more than once. For her, marriage was rather the refuge she could always come back to after periods of abandonment.'

Why is Mrs. Keppel being compared to Vita? Are you sure you don't mean Violet? 109.154.14.8 (talk) 18:31, 13 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The material was added by an unknown user, you may edit it or remove if you wish to (Monkelese (talk) 18:19, 14 April 2012 (UTC))[reply]

Deletion of large sections of article[edit]

I have reverted the deletion of large parts of this article. The changes are apparently to conform to the official website and at the request of some copyright holder, presumably connected with the Trefusis literary estate. However the changes have not been discussed and seem to involve the deletion of cited text. I cannot comment on whether there are good literary or legal grounds for such deletion, I simply note that we should not be removing cited material (on Trefusis's supposed lesbianism, for example) simply because somebody does not like it; similarly, even if sources express different opinions, that is not reason to delete existing sources -- though it may very well be good grounds for balancing sources, stating the matter is disputed, and seeking different printed opinions on the debate. Chiswick Chap (talk) 19:02, 26 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Disembodied mention[edit]

Governor Olson, as it turned out was not refused ... they were much cheered up by one another.

Who he?

(Sorry forgot to sign!) Valetude (talk) 17:56, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Later Life[edit]

Frank Ashton-Gwatkin was not a member of the British Government. He was a senior Foreign Office official, not a politician. If there is no objection I will change this. Seadowns (talk) 09:12, 27 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Estrangement[edit]

This W page claims that Denys and Violet were completely estranged before his death. But Nigel Nicolson in Portrait of a Marriage, Part 4, writes "they lived together in Paris until Denys's early death", and earlier in the same paragraph, " Denys and she came back to each other. [He quotes Violet]:'We both loved poetry....We were both Europeans in the fullest sense...We quarrelled a lot, loved not a little. We were more to be envied than pitied' ". This is not an account of estrangement. 47.150.208.154 (talk) 19:38, 26 March 2019 (UTC) AP[reply]

But I thought it had been a marriage of convenience from the start, because her mother wanted to avoid the disgrace of having an unmarried daughter, and Violet had made Denys sign a no-sex pre-nup. Valetude (talk) 18:56, 22 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Whose engagement?[edit]

"When they returned to London, the Keppels moved to a house in Grosvenor Street. At that time, Violet learned that Vita was soon to be engaged to Harold Nicolson and was involved in an affair with Rosamund Grosvenor. Violet made it clear that she still loved Vita, but became engaged to make Vita jealous."

The last sentence does not (to me) make sense in context. Grammatically it refers to Violet getting engaged (in order to inspire jealousy) – but the previous sentence refers to Vita's engagement. No marital relationship involving Violet appears to be mentioned until the following paragraph, and that relationship appears ("her own loathing of marriage") to have been entirely Violet's mother's idea.

Surely this passage requires a rewrite? Harfarhs (talk) 14:29, 5 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]