Talk:Crown Prince Alexander II of Serbia and Yugoslavia

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Crown Prince Alexander of Yugoslavia - does anybody know the order of his wives? An anon changed them, but I have no idea which is correct. RickK 03:38, 13 Apr 2004 (UTC)

They're in the right order now. Added additional info. - Nunh-huh 21:32, 29 May 2004 (UTC)

Yugoslavia to Serbia

changed to serbia because there is no Yugoslavian country anymore. Croatia, SLovenia etc. do not recognize him as a crown prince.

now that's just foolish. no country recognizes him as crown prince.--Jiang 21:16, 4 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Indeed. It's back at Yugoslavia now. - Nunh-huh 21:21, 4 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Please I live in Serbia so I can tell you that he is recognized here. Of course he is not recognised in other countries. If you wanna talk like that than Yugoslavia doesnot recognise him either, because he visited Yugoslavia maybe once or twice before it changed it`s name and he never visited Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia. Now he lives in Serbia. He is not recognized as king but only as Crown Prince. Avala 13:55, 5 Jun 2004 (UTC)

It's not so much a question of who "recognizes" him, as it is a question of how titles work - or perhaps better put, it's athe fact that he once was recognized as Crown Prince of Yugoslavia but has never been recognized as anything of Serbia. His father was king of Yugoslavia, and he was crown prince of Yugoslavia. Then his father was deposed. Deposed kings and their children in general retain their titles - even after the state they once ruled changes its form of government or even ceases to exist. What they don't get to do is change those titles if the nation's name changes. Aspirants to the titles of deposed rulers don't change the title: no one ever claimed they were Emperor of the U.S.S.R: they were claimants to the throne of Russia. The members of the Hanover dynasty that purport to carry the title of "Prince of Great Britain and Ireland" did not get to change their titles when that nation became the "Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland". Crown Prince Alexander is trying a sort of "sleight of hand" in which he retains the title "Crown Prince Alexander" but changes the "of Yugoslavia" to "of Serbia": but that then becomes a "title of pretense" rather than one he actually holds. According to his website, his claim is that he is King of Serbia, but he uses a more "modest" title. But in the real world, he gets to change the title if he becomes king, because then he will be an actual fount of honour, or when he gets an new title from the government. the choice is pretty much use his name or use his (unchanged) title. - Nunh-huh 16:13, 5 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Serbia and Yugoslavia

according to his webiste he is Prestolonaslednik Srbije i Jugoslavije I moved article to that name. Avala 13:13, 6 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Never reigned, page title wrong

The page Wikipedia:Naming conventions (names and titles) explicitely says "do not apply an ordinal in an article title to a pretender, i.e., someone who has not reigned". We can probably mention the position of prestolonaslednik right at the start of the page but AFAICT he never reigned over anything so the title of the article needs to be fixed. --Shallot 16:50, 27 Jun 2004 (UTC)

To be explicit, the "II" part in the name needs to go. --Shallot 16:54, 27 Jun 2004 (UTC)