Talk:The Elements (song)

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Lyrics[edit]

As I figured might happen, somebody just put the entire lyrics in this article (because Lehrer has released them into public domain). I removed them - wikipedia is not a lyrics compendium, even when they're legal, any more than we're a collection of recipes. We include snippets of lyrics when they help the reader understand the topic but not a data dump. This guide describes it better: [1] - DavidWBrooks (talk) 15:01, 21 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Generally I agree. But in this case I think that the lyrics with the links to elements could be helpful. Ondrej.bouchala (talk) 18:39, 21 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

DavidWBrooks sums things up nicely. There is a link to the chemical elements article in the lede for anyone who wants to find the links for the specific elements. MarnetteD|Talk 19:31, 21 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with DavidWBrooks. The article about this song is not where people should go to find links to the chemical elements. -- Ssilvers (talk) 21:16, 21 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Lehrer added the missing elements[edit]

I corresponded with Tom Lehrer a few years ago and suggested an arrangement for the missing elements for inclusion in a game I was making for a charity.

Tom replied with his own arrangement. https://peterlesliemorris.com/tom-lehrer-adds-newly-discovered-elements-to-his-song-the-elements/

I tried adding this information to the wiki page but it is locked. If anyone would like to contact me to prove this information, please contact me @PeterLeslieMorris PeterLeslieMorris (talk) 12:28, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia only includes information that can be verified by published, WP:Reliable sources. We do not accept private correspondence or conversations as sources. The philosophy is, basically, that if information is of encyclopedic importance, it will be published, critiqued, etc. See our key content policies: WP:V and WP:OR. -- Ssilvers (talk) 18:05, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It obviously can't go in the article either, but I must say that I'm disappointed by Lehrer's version. Squee3's version in the archives is clearly better: it scans and rhymes perfectly without splitting any eighth notes. :) Double sharp (talk) 08:53, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@PeterLeslieMorris: In case you're interested. :) Double sharp (talk) 08:58, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox[edit]

As per Lehrer's other songs, I have added an infobox for this one. There is no reason to remove it, as including it satisfies the purpose of an infoxbox --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 22:57, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

From usertalk: I'm really not sure why you would remove the infobox I added to The Elements (song), or why you did so in a way that did not generate a notice that you had reverted my edit (so I didn't actually notice you did this until now). The song being in the public domain and therefore available means that an infobox is appropriate, as with the other songs by Tom Lehrer. As other songs by Tom Lehrer have an infobox without any issue, consensus favors this article also having one. There was no reason to remove it. Please review the purpose of an infobox. Thank you. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 23:01, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

In violation of the ArbCom cases concerning infoboxes, you have added an infobox to an existing article without first establishing a WP:CONSENSUS to add it. Then, when I removed it, you WP:EDIT WARred to put it back in, when you should, instead, have used the WP:BRD process. Further, the IB that you added is just an audio file and repetition of the songwriter's name, so it would be more efficient to simply add the audio file (below the table of elements) with a caption that would include Lehrer's name anyhow, which I suggest that you do. -- Ssilvers (talk) 02:36, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it isn't an edit war (no 3RR), but I'm fine with removing the infobox and just having a caption with the song. When I get to my desktop I'll make that change, or you can. My apologies for being overbearing. -- Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 17:23, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. I am looking forward to your change. All the best, -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:54, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I added the "Listen" box. -- Ssilvers (talk) 00:44, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Ssilvers: Perfect! Thank you so much. Again, apologies if I sounded rude at first.

--Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 02:04, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No worries. I'm glad that we could reach a satisfactory compromise! -- Ssilvers (talk) 02:33, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]