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This page is not a particularly scientific one. Cheese 18:49, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Maybe not, but how should we change it? Perhaps we could add information from the FishBase database? Also, someone commented that the page should "contain less cooking instructions". I think the recipe is cool, personally, since it´s from 1881. Seems to provide a peek at how widespread flounder consumption was in the 19th century? Jeeves 22:13, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

But it isn't a good recipe, it is too brief. And any recipes don't belong to an encyclopedia article because they are do-it-yourself material. Wikipedia isn't a cookbook. -Hapsiainen 21:44, Nov 18, 2004 (UTC)

"Maybe not, but how should we change it?": More about the flounder's physiology would be useful. The brief mention of metamorphosis only brings more questions to mind: Do all flounders display this asymmetry? Do all members of a specific species end up rotating to the same side? Is the change purely physical, or is there an underlying neurological change as well (i.e. after metamorphosis, do the optical centers of the brain display bilateral symmetry, or have they rearranged themselves as well)? How about the motor-control sections of the brain? Does the fish swim upright before metamorphosis? Do changes in swimming orientation occur slowly as the metamorphosis takes place? How do the continual shifts in depth perception that must occur throughout their metamorphosis affect their movement and behavior? Are they predators before the metamorphosis? How do their physical changes affect how they feed? Is the time of metamorphosis a time of physical awkwardness and/or vulnerability? (Some of these questions are answered or alluded to in the Flatfish article, but I think the Flounder article and the subject as a whole would benefit from either content or links that address these questions.) 71.193.182.174 (talk) 17:57, 19 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

...I was halfway expecting to read "This article brought to you by the National Fishing Association" at the bottom of the page... --James 00:42, 11 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Does anyone know if fluke is another word for flounder (or otherwise closely related)? If so, please mention it in the article and add a link on the disambiguation page fluke. Ncik 06 Mar 05

Flounder at 10.9 kilometers below sea level[edit]

In an unprecedented dive, the U.S. Navy bathyscaphe Trieste reached the bottom of [Mariana Trench (10,911m)] at 1:06 pm on January 23, 1960 with U.S. Navy Lt. Don Walsh and Jacques Piccard. Iron shot was used for ballast, with gasoline for buoyancy. The onboard systems indicated a depth of 37,800 ft (11,521 m), but this was later revised to 35,813 ft (10,916 m). At the bottom Walsh and Piccard were surprised to discover soles or flounder about one foot (30 cm) long, as well as shrimp. According to Piccard, "The bottom appeared light and clear, a waste of firm diatomaceous ooze".

Interwiki's[edit]

The interwiki's are incorrect, a lot of them direct to a specific genus (Platichthys flesus), which is not an article in here yet. Dryke 14:37, 11 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Picture[edit]

I removed this picture from the page. I'm pretty sure that it is not a flounder, but some other sort of flatfish. According to the range in the page, the shouldn't be flounders in Hawaii Kjaergaard 12:03, 29 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Of course it is a flounder.--Mbz1 (talk) 01:46, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Flounder vs. Fluke[edit]

First the article goes:

Flounder (rarely: flukes)

suggesting these are synonyms, but then the article states:

While flounders have both eyes situated on one side of the head, flukes are not born this way.

positing an ontological distinction. This is confusing, please do something about it. Shinobu (talk) 08:25, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

there are indeed flounder in hawaii i just caught one yesterday. It was a Peacock Flounder (Paki'i Hawaian or Bothus mancus Scientific name) and other than the coloring it appeared to me to be just like or very close to the same as flounder I have caught in the Gulf of Mexico on the Texas coast.

I tried to post photo but i could not make it work.Soupisgoodfoodforyou (talk) 09:12, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

To clear this up[edit]

Fluke is a colloquialism for flounder. Flounder (fluke) go through the first stages of their lives like most fish: with their eyes on opposite sides of their head and free swimming. When they are reaching maturity, one of the eyes migrates to the other side and they begin to lay on the bottom of the water. If you feel a flounder's (fluke's) skull on their white "bottom" side, you can feel the eye socket covered in skin as it does not migrate with the eye.

Where I am from (New Jersey), both summer flounder and winter flounder are present depending on the season. However, "Fluke" is a nickname used to refer *only* to summer flounder. Tom (talk) 03:11, 9 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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what do they eat????????????????? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.235.240.70 (talk) 20:12, 13 May 2008 (UTC) They are opportunistic bottom feeders and eat anything they can catch that will fit in their mouths. For example: the ones I catch in New Jersey waters commonly have small baitfish, shrimp and crabs in their stomachs. Tom (talk) 03:13, 9 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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new jersey and 18 inches - how old is an 18 inch flounder - thanks tom - email - tomasics@hotmail.com with answer[edit]

66.252.187.190 (talk) 18:35, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Preachy[edit]

The second half of this article describes the declining population of a fish we know very little about. Sadly I know very little about fish in general, yet I am sure there is more information that could be included in this article. It seems odd to me that all 4 references on this page deal only with declinging fish population. Is there no reference material on the fish itself. Perhaps we should merge the left and right flounder pages into this one to give this article more substance. Mantion (talk) 19:45, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Parasites[edit]

Could we get some commentary regarding parasites?72.84.141.136 (talk) 19:22, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Flounder on eastern atlantic shores[edit]

I have seen these flatfish in Belfast lough, N. Ireland, yet no mention in this article about their inhabitance in western Europe. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.19.96.75 (talk) 13:07, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Question on flounders[edit]

It mentions that flounders blend in with their backgrounds...is this something they do actively like a chameleon or is it just that they tend to be similar colored to the area that that species is found in?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.33.240.95 (talk • contribs)

Flounders change the color of areas of their skin. See Peacock flounder#Color change. -- Donald Albury 10:54, 27 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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color change?[edit]

Without checking the articles for the individual species of flounder, the only mention of their ability to change color is basically a footnote giving this article's Categories: Animals that can change color. The picture of A flounder blending into its environment does not specify whether color changing is involved or if this fish would have the same colors and pattern against any other background. CAN flounder change color? or maybe only some species of flounder?

Thanks!

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2022 Discovered terrible issues with classification[edit]

If you do a simple iteration through the links you find the following----> Flounder are an group of species in suborder Pleuronectidai----> in Family Pluronectidae(flatfish) : and that Right- Eye Flounder-----> are a family of the [Order?] of Flounder.

Where its supposed to be Right- Eye Flounder are----> [Family of the Subgroup Flounder: Flounder are----> a Subgroup---->] in Group Pleuronictidae------in the Sub-order Pleronictidai----> in the Order Pleuronectiformes. Anthoth01 (talk) 09:15, 25 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

In fact the Flounder in [] brackets, subgroup is a superfluous classification.