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Old talk[edit]

Are there only three bogatyrs?
How did someone become a bogatyr?
Is it a religious thing? -- Sy / ^(talk)
- No, there are many more, the three on the picture work as a team in some folk tales
- I believe it is in genes, someone should be born with this ability
- In some tales the bogatyr emphasizes that his enemy is a pagan and he is a good Christian, but mostly seems to be non-religius. abakharev 13:33, 19 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguation[edit]

This was on the artilce. Ideally it will go at Bogatyr (disambiguation), but only when some of the red-linked artciles exist. This is a good resting place for now. --Commander Keane 16:00, August 26, 2005 (UTC)

Moved to its own page; articles don't need to exist to have the dab page. Elf | Talk 22:50, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Translation or interpretation help?[edit]

now some good person could explain me: "Each bogatyr tends to be known for a certain character trait: Alyosha Popovich for his bravery, Dobrynya Nikitich for his courage" whats the drastic difference between bravery and courage? its a bad translation maybe? (Posted by ??)

Here's another one: "The word bogatyr was first mentioned in Russia time in Sernitskiy's book "; what is "in Russia time" supposed to be? Elf | Talk 22:47, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Polyanitsa[edit]

Polyanitsa redirects here, but the article doesn't explain why. I gather that a polyanitsa is sort of a female bogatyr, but that's about it — can someone elaborate in the article? --Quuxplusone (talk) 17:17, 30 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Altaic word"[edit]

"Altaic" is a dubious term; this word was known in Rus before Mongol Invasion of XIII c. thus it is logical to persume it is turkic in origin. And another arguement is the word's history. Oldest mention is sinified Mao-Tun or Mao-Du, a name of a Hunnic king. Hunnic people are most commonly considered to be a turkic-speaking population of Mongolian plateu, which was later replaced by mongolian-speaking peoples (Xian-bei), who migrated to west only after the collapse of Hunnic state. The last arguements are (1) etymology, which can be rougly delivered from word "bek" (rich, noble) and "tur" (to stand, to be), and (2) Starotstin's etymology, which is turkic[1]. I've changed "Altaic" to "Turkic", I think it is less confusing. 89.176.108.21 (talk) 01:39, 24 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Turkic, Mongolian and Tungusic languages are Altaic, at least according to the most accepted view. Sigurd Dragon Slayer (talk) 11:00, 30 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Word[edit]

>The bogatyr (Russian: богатырь; Old East Slavic богатырь, Ukrainian: богатир; from baghatur, a historical Turco-Mongol honorific[1][2]) Bogatyr - bogatyi, bogatstvo, Bog (Russian God). It's not Turco-Mongol word. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.194.154.209 (talk) 13:36, 19 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose merger. While the two words are of the same root, the respective articles are not about words, but about certain subjects. Characters of Russian folklore and Turco-Mongol tittles are definitely not the same subject.Beaumain (talk) 18:20, 4 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose merger. Bogatyr might be borrowed from the Mongol title but it has a highly distinct meaning. Ogress _smash! 20:41, 21 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Overall Edits[edit]

I'd like to make the following edits/expansions of the Bogatyr page: - expand more on the background of the bogatyr such as how they become bogatyrs, including why most of their enemies have human-like features and turkish names, and make edits on wording/phrasing - explore and expand on the origins behind the etymology of the word - research and find information on the "female bogatyr" - add more about bagatyr's influence- books, similar entities(Three Musketeers and Knights of the Round Table)- not directly influenced, just similar Here are the sources I'm using info from(it's not an exhaustive list): https://ls.pushkininstitute.ru/lsslovar/index.php?title=%D0%91%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%8B%D1%80%D1%8C/C1-C2 https://catalog.tricolib.brynmawr.edu/find/Record/.b2440435 https://catalog.tricolib.brynmawr.edu/find/Record/.b1995321 https://catalog.tricolib.brynmawr.edu/find/Record/.b1603099 Najasmith (talk) 07:52, 19 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Turkification of Proto-Slavic words[edit]

Proto-Slavic is an Indo-european language. The word "Bogatyr" is of Indo-european origin and has no roots in Turkic! In fact, it is the Turkic languages that adapted many Indo-european words. There is no evidence for this word to be of turkic origin and the creators who constantly add imaginary turkic orgin theories to wikipedia articles about the etymology of Slavic words seem to follow some type of agenda. There is not even a logical context to assume that the word "Bogatyr" is of turkic origin because Bogatyrs were Eastern Slavic heroes who faught against turkic and turco-mongolian invaders! The word Bogatyr is simply rooted in Sanskrit and derived from Proto-Slavic "Bog" for english "god"! 94.17.154.23 (talk) 05:57, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Etymology[edit]

I find it weird to have a photo of the page of a book in this section. It is in Russian and close to useless, because I cannot even cut and paste into google translate. THe book is readily available. Someone fluent in Russian, please replace this with article text.- Altenmann >talk 18:35, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]