Talk:American Quarter Horse

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Sourcing for article improvement[edit]

Good article on the genetic diseases affecting Quarter Horses: http://www.thehorse.com/articles/24421/genetic-diseases-in-horses-reviewed-for-world-equine-vets Montanabw(talk) 18:07, 26 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Better pictures[edit]

Here are some better pictures to possibly replace some that are currently in the article. This one could be put in the section on the stock-type Quarters:

Maybe also move the photo of the halter horse from the top of the article and put it at the halter section, putting either of these in its place at the head of the article:

Maybe remove the head-on shot of a 'halter horse' at the top of Breed Characteristics altogether? White Arabian mare (Neigh) 15:00, 22 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The two here aren't an improvement. The head-on shot does show the "bulldog" build... Montanabw(talk) 23:49, 24 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I do believe that these pictures are an improvement. Spitfire&Me (talk) 00:33, 29 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

American Quarter Horse vs. Quarter Horse[edit]

The title of the article is American Quarter Horse, but some paragraphs refer simply to Quarter Horses, including the one that says that next to the ACHA the largest number of Quarter Horses are registered in Brazil followed by Australia. Quarter Horse itself redirects here. It is not clear to me from the article whether the Brazilian and Australian registries involve substantially different breed characteristics from the American, or whether the relationship is like that of the "Appendix" horses, or whether perhaps they are closer to the "Foundation" type. --Haruo (talk) 12:48, 2 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The American Quarter Horse is abbreviated or shortened to Quarter Horse. It is the same breed worldwide, of American origins. Montanabw(talk) 03:27, 3 November 2015 (UTC) IDK[reply]

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55 mph[edit]

The source given for the 55 mph claim is very weak and has a vested interest. Is there any better source, such as one that describes a particular horse being scientifically measured at that speed? Zerotalk 12:44, 24 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Zero0000, I will look through my horse breed books and see if I can find a better source. I don't know about science, but they have some kind of speed recording devices on racetracks, at least the bigger ones. White Arabian Filly Neigh 22:42, 24 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Better still, I found an animal science book on GB. [1] White Arabian Filly Neigh 22:47, 24 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
It is better, but not great. They could easily be just repeating a common belief. Zerotalk 23:59, 24 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Racehorses were traditionally clocked by the trainer telling the jockey to gallop the horse from one pole to another on the racetrack, while the trainer recorded how long it took to travel the quarter mile with a stopwatch. Then they'd figure the mph based off that. Now they still do that, but for actual races they have some kind of scanner or technology that records the speed. On most televised races they'll have it in a little window in the corner of the screen. There are also listed speed records for most major tracks. I'll do some more looking, but I think it's a fact, not a false belief. White Arabian Filly Neigh 15:46, 25 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Winning times for races are posted, generally with fractional breaks. That said, Cengage Learning is a reputable source for animal science textbooks, and as such is RS for the claim. I also found a source at Science Daily Montanabw(talk) 22:05, 25 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
All official race tracks have devices to measure the total time, so average speeds over a measured distance are well documented. Usually they also measure the time when a horse reaches some key distances in the race. That's what you will get from race track records. My impression is the that 55 mph is not supposed to be an average speed but an instantaneous burst speed, which is harder to measure and not a standard measurement. The fact that the sources found so far fail to tell us exactly what is being measured and are clearly just quoting some unknown single source or each other is a reason to wish for better sources. There is a table of world records for AQHs here but I didn't manage to understand it. Can you figure it out? Zerotalk 10:53, 26 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I see some AQH world records for various distances listed at here. The greatest average speed for the stated distance is 42.98 mph. This confirms my suspicion that 55 mph can only be meaningful as the speed for a short burst. Zerotalk 11:07, 26 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with the short burst assessment. I suspect it was clocked shortly after coming out of the starting gate. We probably should add these world records with calculations. Montanabw(talk) 03:41, 28 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

OK...[edit]

This page has good content, (info) but its not encouraging me to sit down and read it. Could it be made more interesting to the reader?

Shadowblade08 (talk) 14:57, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It is a B-class article. Do you have specific suggestions? David notMD (talk) 16:02, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

In the 1600s ... English Thoroughbred horses were first bred with assorted native horses?[edit]

I happened to notice this: we read in the Colonial era section: "In the 1600s on the Eastern seaboard of what today is the United States, imported English Thoroughbred horses were first bred with assorted native horses". That is unlikely for a number of reasons, most notably that there were no Thoroughbreds in the seventeenth century – it is an entirely eighteenth-century concept. Nor, if we are to believe our page on the Darley Arabian, were there any Thoroughbreds in the USA before Bulle Rock in 1730. There were also no native horses in the USA in 1600 – any horses that were there had been brought from Europe in the preceding 107 (approximately) years. Courtesy ping to Ealdgyth. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 22:02, 14 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Well... 1600s covers 1600-1699 - and it is likely that there were horses in the eastern part of North America by 1600 - remember Hernando de Soto tramped all over the area looking for gold during the 1540s. Quite likely that he lost horses in the process and that they spread over the area also. It is known that the pigs that De Soto lost became the ancestors of the razorback, for example. "Native" here means "they were here when we arrived, us stupid English". Quite frankly, the various "claims" of the folks investigating the early horses in the eastern part of North America are all ... suspect, because they all had an axe to grind - QH folks tend to push the "short horses were always here" while the TB folks tend to push the "the horses were crap until Bulle Rock arrived" with a lovely side dish of Morgan enthusists chiming in with "Morgans are the only American breed" ... you get the picture. It's sourced - to Denhardt, but still sourced, and it's not something I'm going to worry about. My main concern nowadays is to keep utter idiocy out (The bit I reverted about Andalusian mares was even more insane that what's there now...). Ealdgyth (talk) 22:14, 14 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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