Talk:Spiritual death in Christianity

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In creating this page, I drew from my own religious teachings. I'm not sure exactly how representative of all Christianity those views are, so if you see something that doesn't seem like a universally accepted doctrine of Christianity, go ahead and fix it and discuss it. Hopefully this page will help foster discussion about this subject. biggins 08:07, 5 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Looks generally OK, except that I don't think it's right to equate "spiritual death" with "the second death". Spiritual death is present BEFORE physical death, whereas the second death is what happens AFTER physical death to those who are spiritually dead. Does this make sense? What I mean is: We are all spiritually dead, because we all sin. HOWEVER, Jesus died for our sin, and if we accept this sacrifice, our sin is taken away - making us spiritually alive. So some physically alive people are spiritually dead; others are spiritually alive. After death we can't change from one to the other. When the final Judgement comes, those who are spiritually dead will suffer the second death, which is complete and permanent separation from God, while those who are spiritually alive will be alive with Jesus forever. OK, so alot of this is POV and can't go in the article! But I thought it made sense to explain it here. I've tried to separate the two in the article - and I've probably got it wrong too, if someone else wants to make it better! 81.129.151.206 14:17, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

are there any bible references to spiritual death as defined here? i know the second death is talked about in the new testament, but i think "Spiritual death" is a purely theological term (and opinion) unless anyone can find an actual Bible reference —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.243.242.58 (talk) 01:13, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

I've always thought of spiritual death as being the "dying to yourself" part of becoming a Christian. Maybe I've been using the wrong term all these years.
Bradman3001 (talk) 17:54, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

The “Second Death” is mentioned 4 times in the Biblical book of Revelation. It refers to the future time when death and Hades [hell] are destroyed by fire. (Rev 2:11; Rev 20:6; Rev 20:14; Rev 21:8) There are other reference to "eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels" Mt25:41 about the Second death without referring to it by name.

There is much confusion / conjture on what happens after death and in the future. The Bible does not give enough data for us to say we know exactly what will happen.

Some things we know:

We die - Then the judgement - Heb 9:27-28
Righteous receive eternal life & Unrighteous receive punishment (Mt 25:46)
Between physical death and judgment the righteous and wicked are separated. (Luke 16:19-31)
Wicked angels are kept in chains for judgment on that day. (Jude 1:6)
The Devil, beast and false prophet will be tormented for ever and ever - (Rev 20:10)

I will try to put together a detailed study en the next few days —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.162.147.171 (talk) 14:40, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Article revisions

This article can use improvement. I'm being bold and giving it a complete rewrite. I will combine the separate sections into one entitled "Mainstream beliefs" as I think this is a concept that has a lot of agreement among the various traditions mentioned—with the exception of Mormonism which will be left as its own section.

The "New Testament" section doesn't have any sections, and as of now only consists of a list of (apparent) scripture quotations. However, there are no chapter/verse references given so it is impossible to look them up and learn about the context of them (which essentially makes them useless). Ltwin (talk) 23:17, 10 July 2011 (UTC)