Talk:The Mission (1986 film)

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Intervention of the Spanish in the mission battle[edit]

I would like to start a discussion about a thing I read in the article and I dont agree with. The edition says the Spanish army is between the forces that take part in the "battle in the Mission" against the indians and some of the jesuits and that the Spanish commander was the one who ordered to kill the unprotected priest, ladies and children. That is not said in any part of the film. Why they were Spaniards and not Portugese?

Taking into account that the Indians were protected by the Spanish King laws (Leyes de Indias) I doubt any Spanish commander would take part in a battle against poor and disarmed indian ladies, children and priests.

The real "Guarani War" saw several fights and a big battle between the Spanish-Portugese army and the Guaranis, but after the joint army won the last battle they found no resistance when they occupied the Missions. So no Spanish commander ordered in the real world to kill any disarmed priest, ladies and children. Please give your opinion and vote if the article should define the soldiers entering the Mission and the commander of them as Spanish or don't specify it.

Thank you all. --Ebanobre (talk) 20:16, 22 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hey. I have watched the film several times, and I will do it again just because of that conversation. Maybe some details in the movie are made up, but the cruel truth is that Spanish Conquistador weren't merciful. Try to think about the cruelty of human nature and you would notice that it is possible to do things which can be seen in that movie. Irena Plahuta (talk) 22:31, 22 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Watching the movie it's fairly clear both Spanish and Portuguese troops take place in the final battle. The troops who attack by land are definitely Spanish, the ones who come by boat Portuguese. They're easily distinguished by uniforms: powder blue and white for the Spanish, darker blue and red for the Portuguese. Historical reality does not factor into a fictional portrayal. --96.247.149.7 (talk) 20:11, 24 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That's false. If spanish conquistador were or weren't merciful is irrelevant, the fact is that the troops were portuguese and not spanish. It's clear not only on film, on Robert Bolt's screenplay too.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.155.108.71 (talk) 04:22, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The troops in white are Spanish. We see them escorting the Cardinal's carriage earlier in the film - when he arrives at what has already been shown to be a Spanish colony. At the end of the film the Cardinal holds the Spanish Governor to be complicit in the massacre - why would he do that if it had been a purely Portuguese affair? An actor named Rafael Camerano is even credited as the "Spanish Commander" in the end titles, if you don't believe me you can look it up on IMDB here: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0131450/. Whether the Spanish were involved historically is irrelevant. The film features Spanish troops; Spanish troops should be mentioned in the article. 90.246.42.145 (talk) 13:31, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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In other words, if One thinks the movie sucked, that is not an answer. "Creative Cooperation" could be a tag I guess. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.198.165.16 (talk) 19:31, 4 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Not quite sure what you are on about but if it is about the feedback feature at the bottom of the article that is for feedback about the article not about whether you liked the film or not. MarnetteD | Talk 20:10, 4 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Critical reception section?[edit]

Where is the critical reception section of this film? There are just a few sentences in the lead paragraph about how the film was viewed when it came out, and while those statements are presumably factual, they imply that the movie was universally acclaimed, which I know for a fact, having read the reviews at the time, is not true. The reader needs a sense of how it was received, the political context in which it was made, and how it is generally viewed today. Dylanexpert (talk) 13:36, 28 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Analysis of musical themes in need of clarification?[edit]

In the past week I've been making a study of The Mission and analyzing its themes and reuses of music. I find the current breakdown of the film's themes to be slightly confusing on these two lines:

"Beginning with a liturgical piece (On Earth as It Is in Heaven) which becomes the "Spanish" theme, it moves quickly to the "Guaraní" theme, which is written in a heavily native style and uses several indigenous instruments. Later, Morricone defines the "Mission" theme as a duet between the "Spanish" and "Guaraní" themes."

On study of the film, I'm worried that these lines aren't worded quite right. The soundtrack piece "On Earth as It Is in Heaven" begins with the Spanish theme, and then gradually becomes a duet between the Spanish and Guarani themes. But not only is the "Mission" theme itself not a duet between these two themes, right now I can't find a context of the Mission theme being a duet between themes at all.

Maybe finding the actual quote from Morricone can clear up the confusion, but right now neither this article nor the article specifically devoted to the soundtrack can give me a reference. Maybe have a 'citation needed'? — Preceding unsigned comment added by FiverBeyond (talk • contribs) 22:22, 20 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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