Talk:Celia Cruz

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Early life[edit]

we need to know more about her childhood and how it affected her.

Can someone move the picture up higher so we can see Celia when we open the page?[edit]

I'm sorry, but I don't know how to do it. 68.3.214.66 (talk) 20:48, 22 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Birthday[edit]

SHAME TYLER!!!! Encyclopaedia Britannica lists 1929. http://www.britannica.com/eb/article?eu=124776

CNN say 'she was believed to be 78 years old' which if to October birthdate is correct then she was born in 1923. http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/Music/07/16/cruz.obit/index.html

BBC say 1924, http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/3073287.stm

New York times say died at 77, assuming an October birthday would place birthdate at 1925 http://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/16/obituaries/16WIRE-OBIT-CRUZ.html

For the moment it is hard to put an exact year on her birth. Popsracer 03:38 17 Jul 2003 (UTC)

I have decided to go back to 1924. What appears to be her offical website http://www.celiacruzonline.com/ , list 1924 so I will go with that. Popsracer 04:08 17 Jul 2003 (UTC)

TV news said "born in the 1920s" and that she didn't like to tell her age. -- Error 19:50 17 Jul 2003 (UTC)

I know she has to be 78 I calculates the results and got 78 Melanya321 (talk) 02:01, 4 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Leaving Cuba[edit]

- Why is there no information on her leaving Cuba, or her opinions on the post-Revolution government? - — feripe

Because little is known so writing anything would be purely speculative

well she was exiled from cuba because their president of cuba did not allow for her to move and leave cuba so she could never com back so when her parents died she was devistated because she could no attened her parent funeral because it was held in cuba and she could never come back.

Name[edit]

Her full name is posted as Úrsula Hilaria Celia Caridad Cruz Alfonso. I believe that since we know it, it should be displayed. Every part of her legal name is as important despite being known as simply Celia Cruz. --Speakslowly 06:05, 11 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Autobiography[edit]

I don't own my own copy, so I haven't access to it at the moment, but there definitely are sections worth adding ... the present article just ever-so-slightly references the political climate in Cuba, but it was a huge deal with her (as with so many of the exiles) and deserves more space with respect to its impact on her personal and professional life. Also, in the book, she discusses her own feelings on the use of the term salsa for her music, noting that while friends and colleagues such as Tito Puente disliked the term, in her own opinion the popularization of that term saved Cuban/Afro-Cuban music from extinction by making it acceptable to a younger generation that thought "Cuban music" was for the old folks. These both are areas worth adding to the article. --Lawikitejana 04:57, 28 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Discography need[edit]

About a month ago I included Ms. Cruz in the Category:Musicians work group articles needing discographies list. Someone added a discography sketch. I think a even a discography sketch should at least inform the casual listener which are the important compilations and the best selling albums. This does not truly meet my criterion. I will discuss with the Musicians work group and see if it should be relisted pending further work. TonyTheTiger 20:47, 31 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Translating Spanish Discography[edit]

Someone with stronger spanish skills than me should translate her discography from Spanish wikipedia. TonyTheTiger 19:21, 8 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Siempre Viviré ( I Will Always Live) is better translated as "I Will Survive", as it is a Spanish language cover of the English language song of that name originally performed by Gloria Gaynor in 1978. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.93.212.216 (talk) 03:22, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Date of death[edit]

The date of her death is different in the table on the right compared to the main text. table sais 2003 text sais 2006 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.11.2.181 (talk) 14:45, 28 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Exile and move to us are important[edit]

I find it ridiculous that the article does not even contain a mention of her move to the US from Cuba. It's okay if we don't know all the details--we do know that it happened. The fact that she lived in the US and never returned to Cuba was an important part of her life, as well as a theme often expressed in nostalgic songs about her homeland (e.g. Guantanamera). We need to put some info like that in there to make this even a reasonably comprehensive biographical article--anyone more expert than me have some ideas as to the most kosher way to go about it? 128.232.242.23 (talk) 14:25, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

please fix celia cruz was sevied by pedro knight and luis falcon the man they called there son her biography luis falcon and omer pardillo are both celia cruz kids so please —Preceding unsigned comment added by Luis22 (talk • contribs) 17:58, 10 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Please see WP:V, WP:CS and WP:RS. If you can provide a reliable, verifiable source for the material you wish to add, then we can add it. Nightscream (talk) 22:41, 10 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Grainy photo[edit]

The photo at the top of the article is way too grainy. :| Can we get a better one? --RyanTee82 (talk) 06:04, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Crude, a bit?[edit]

The second to last sentence in the "career" section of this article says, "She had weight issues." Is that really necessary? --68.105.187.199 (talk) 03:51, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It’s hardly crude; sounds more like a prim euphemism. Was she seriously overweight, and did this have an impact on her health? (Did it, for example, necessitate the knee surgery mentioned?) If so, it may be worth saying, more clearly. If not, it should be removed.AuntFlo (talk) 02:34, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request from , 31 October 2011[edit]


188.222.171.18 (talk) 23:55, 31 October 2011 (UTC) I have found an misinformation about the name of celia cruz wish is only CELIA CARIDAD CRUZ ALFONSO ,,foun in a book writen by Hector Ramirez Bedolla from medellin,colombia.[reply]

 Not done We need more to go on like a book name. CTJF83 00:41, 1 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request from , 16 December 2011[edit]

The article mentions that Celia got her first major breakthrough in 1950. But Celia was singing on the radio in Havana Cuba (Mil Diez (1010) and Radio Cadena Azul if I am not mistaken) with Bienvenido León and Alfredo De La Fé (father of Alfredo De La Fé the violinist). Additional information is available in the Spanish wiki article for Celia, but it also does not mention the specifics of her career on Cuban radio.--Salsany (talk) 21:42, 16 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Her religion[edit]

Isn't it Santeria or Yoruba? She sings about Yemaja and Chango and elegua and Ochun.... RocketLauncher2 (talk) 04:20, 19 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Celia was a practicing Santera and Roman Catholic. --66.65.174.128 (talk) 12:14, 19 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have a reliable, published source that we can cite, per WP:V and WP:CS? Nightscream (talk) 22:31, 19 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
If there's no mention of her religion, I'd be fine if it at least acknowledges she sings something to do with Yoruba.

"The album, a collaboration with the crooner and trombonist Willie Colon, is a collage of themes and styles Ms. Cruz has touched upon before, including the image of the hardworking underdog and references to santeria, the African Yoruban religion prevalent in the Caribbean. One song, Los Vendedores, champions the street vendors of Miami who came to the United States as part of the 1980 Mariel boatlift and have often been the object of scorn." http://www.nytimes.com/1987/08/30/arts/celia-cruz-salsa-star-expatriate-whirlwind.html

"Celia Cruz has sung of deities like Chango. " http://www.nytimes.com/1997/01/27/nyregion/after-years-of-secrecy-santeria-is-suddenly-much-more-popular-and-public.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm

Here's one article that mentions her religion but I don't know how notable it is: http://www.oldies.com/artist-biography/Celia-Cruz.html "Cruz first appeared on Santero, an album of Afro-Cuban cult music on the Panart label. (Two of her later bestselling albums on Seeco, Homenaje A Los Santos and Homenaje A Los Santos Vol. 2, contained recordings of sacred songs, and her association with Santeria or Yoruba was highlighted in UK media coverage though she always claimed to be a practising Roman Catholic). "

They source " The Encyclopedia of Popular Music by Colin Larkin. Licensed from Muze. " though so maybe it is notable. RocketLauncher2 (talk) 23:40, 19 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The issue for sources is reliability, not notability, which is something else. Why I'd like to know is, what does "association with" mean? That's kinda vague. It doesn't actually say she subscribed to, adhered to or practiced that religion. Nightscream (talk) 01:57, 20 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
From her autobiography Celia, mi vida page 24: "I respect all religions and beliefs, including santería, but I don't follow it. A lot of people who don't know me very well assume that I am santería. They see that I am a Cuban woman and black so I must be santería. I have fought against this my whole life." She was definitely Catholic only. In the same book she discusses learning santería songs as a girl from her neighbor Chela who was a practicing santería, but Celia's mother didn't like her. She later talks about being baptized Catholic and attending Ermita de la Caridad church throughout her life to pray with her rosary because she had a special affinity for Our Lady of Charity whose name she was baptized with. She also mentions that her husband Pedro Knight was Catholic as well. (page 74) Yamada Taro (talk) 01:59, 1 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Extra Names?[edit]

Several extra names were added as an unsourced "minor edit." Where did they come from? Are they accurate? Was her name:

1. Celia Cruz

2. Úrsula Hilaria Celia de la Caridad Cruz Alfonso

3. Úrsula Hilaria Celia de la Caridad Cruz Alfonso de la Santísima Trinidad

RWB22 (talk) 05:00, 21 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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