Talk:House of Hohenzollern

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House of Liechtenstein[edit]

Aren't the rulers of Liechtenstein still Hohenzollerns? --corvus13

I don't you .Check http://www.webtop.com , I have to leave. user:H.J.

I do "you" -- the family name of the rulers of Liechtenstein is "Liechtenstein". They've been around for ages -- since the 12th century, I think -- mostly because of their impressive ability to look completely inoffensive when necessary. Kind of like a hedgehog. -- Paul Drye

No relationship. Have a good day!--Jacob Barsimson talk 06:26, 16 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

William and Wilhelm[edit]

Um... what's the difference between Frederick William I and Friederich Wilhelm I? JHK

JHK, you can see how difficult it is to tell them apart. I just added Der Grosse Kurfuerst to the first one. Please read the titles and about the patent, permit for building. This is what I have written about earlier to MT and you. That was followed all the time, no city or coin or anything was done without a permit. Therefore I believe that if a city and surrounding area write it on record (coins etc) that they were a civitas , they were a Freie Stadt or city state. Otherwise they would not have used it. If they had tried the imperial forces would habe gone after them. user:H.J.

Hi -- I did read them. I've been trying to explain that what you believe to be true is not in fact the case. It could be, but there is no clear way of telling. They could be calling themselves civitas in the sense of "the government and the people". There is no way of telling from one word what was meant (for certain). Also, you assume that nothing was done without a permit -- this is patently untrue. Nothing was supposed to be done without an Imerial license -- But the HRE had no standing army, no unified court system, no unified tax system -- in fact no real central administration! From before Charles IV issued the Golden Bull, and especially aftrwards, the Imperial government was only as powerful as the people who supported it -- and in the case of a great trade city like Hamburg, the license process may have been more along the lines of "We Minted this coin, Mr. Emperor. We're using it. How much do we owe you for the license?" You have to remember that the Emperor had very little authority -- just prestige. In some cases, the Emperor was strong -- but only because he happened to be an Emperor with lots of family lands, money, and his own army attached to family lands and money -- not because of an Imperial tie! JHK
HJ, as JHK is pointing out you are making a basic mistake of people dealing with legal history. Whenever we look at laws as a source of history, we have to ask "did they pass a law against because SO MANY people were doing it?" For instance, there are laws against speeding, murder, tax evasion - all those are common (sort of). There are also laws that are statements of ideals that have very little to do with COMMON human behavior. There are laws against terrorism, which is, thankfully, not as common as speeding. However, both of them have laws against them. Cities sometimes came to exist without legal standing - and then there were decades (literally!) of lawsuits about their standing. --MichaelTinkler

(or sons) made no grammatical sense where it was so I removed it. Some one else removed the list of titles under Friedrich Wilhelm I so I removed the pointer to it. --rmhermen

How should a list without portraits look like?[edit]

House of Hohenzollern#Counts of Hohenzollern (1204–1575)
For example:

The list should contain the following minimum information: Name, reign, relationship with predecessor, birth and death.--Mr. Boston (talk) 10:39, 1 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Historical names[edit]

I think that we should follow the conventions on the discussion page for historical names? Since many, if not most, English speakers aren't as familiar with German history before the end of hte Weimar Republic, I think it would be best to put the name and "of Place", like Albert (or Albrecht) Achilles of Brandenburg, or Friedrich Wilhelm II of Prussia (or Frederick William -- it's hard to say, because more recent sources use the German names, but 50 years ago, they used English -- on the other hand, Karl der Grosse is ALWAYS Charlemagne, and Louis the Pious is never Ludwig the Pious or der Fromme!). Let's see what the others have to say, and maybe look at each one individually -- because there will always be exceptions, like Frederick the Great (well-known in English). JHK

English names make more sense. Sir Tony Britton (talk) 03:36, 22 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Family Tree[edit]

In this revision https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=House_of_Hohenzollern&type=revision&diff=1065576008&oldid=1065550699 I added a family tree. I want a family tree in this article that adequately shows the relationship of the Protestant and Catholic Branches. How can we properly cite such a tree? MaitreyaVaruna (talk) 20:34, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The reason it was removed was that you didn't provide a source for any of this. We cite it by pointing to your source. --jpgordon𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇 21:07, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Jpgordon: It is created from the infoboxes on all the individual articles, plus the tree in List of monarchs of Prussia. What would the proper format for citation be in this case? Also pardon the moving around of the conversation. I believe something in the tree made me unable to reply and it was unintentionally locked. MaitreyaVaruna (talk) 18:03, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Here's the tree
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

Family tree[edit]

Burkhard I, Lord of Zollern
Frederick I, Count of Zollern
Frederick II, Count of Zollern
Frederick I, Burgrave of Nuremberg
Conrad I, Burgrave of NurembergFrederick IV, Count of Zollern
Frederick III, Burgrave of NurembergSwabian Branch
Frederick III, Burgrave of Nuremberg
John II, Burgrave of Nuremberg
Frederick V, Burgrave of Nuremberg
Frederick I, Elector of Brandenburg
Albrecht III Achilles, Elector of Brandenburg
John Cicero, Elector of Brandenburg
Joachim I Nestor, Elector of BrandenburgFrederick I
of Ansbach
and Bayreuth
1460–1536		Sophia
Jagiellon
1464–1512
Albert
1490-1525-1568		Anna Marie
of Brunswick-
Lüneburg
1532–1568		Joachim II Hector, Elector of BrandenburgSophie of
Brandenburg-
Ansbach-
Kulmbach
1485–1537		Frederick II
of Legnica
1480–1547		Casimir of
Brandenburg-
Bayreuth
1481–527		Susanna
of Bavaria
1502–1543		Hedwig of
Münsterberg
and Oleśnica
1508–1531		George of
Brandenburg-
Ansbach
1484–1543		Emilie
of Saxony
1516–1591
Albert
Frederick
1553-1568-1618		Marie Eleonore
of Cleves
1550–1608		John George
of Brandenburg
1525-1598		Sophie
of Legnica
1525–1546		Marie of
Brandenburg-
Kulmbach
1519–1567		Frederick III,
Elector
Palatine
1515–1576		William I
of Nassau-
Dillenburg
1487–1559		Anna Maria of
Brandenburg-
Ansbach
1526–1589		George Frederick
regent
1539-1577-1603
Anna Sophia
of Prussia
1527–1591		Eleanor
of Prussia
1583–1607		Joachim
Frederick of
Brandenbrug
regent
1546-1605-1608		Catherine of
Brandenburg-
Küstrim
1549–1602		Louis VI,
Elector
Palatine
1539–1583		William I
of the
Netherlands
1533–1584		Elisabeth
of Nassau-
Dillenburg
1542–1603		Sabine of
Württemberg
1549–1581		John VI
of Nassau-
Dillenburg
1536–1606
Magdalene of
Brandenburg
1582–1616		Anna
of Prussia
1576–1625		John Sigismund
1572-1618-1619
regent
1611–1618		Anna Maria of
the Palatinate
1561–1589		Frederick IV,
Elector
Palatine
1574–1610		Louise Juliana
of Nassau
1576–1644		John Albert I
of Solms-
Braunfels		John VII
of Nassau-
Siegen
1561–1623		John VII of
Mecklenburg
1558–1592
Anne Eleonore
of Hesse-
Darmstadt
1601–1659		George
William
1595-1619-1640		Elizabeth
Charlotte
of the Palatinate
1597–1660		Frederick V
Elector
Palatine
1596–1632		Frederick
Henry of
Orange
1584–1617		Amalia
of Solms-
Braunfels
1602–1675		Maurice of
Hesse-Kassel
1572–1632		Juliane
of Nassau-
Dillenburg
1587–1643
George William
of Saxe-
Lauenburg
1624–1705		Ernest
Augustus
of Hanover
1629–1698		Sophia of the
Palatinate
1630–1714		Frederick
William
1620-1640-1688		Louise
Henriette
of Orange
1627–1667		John Albert of
Mecklenburg
1590–1636
Sophia
Dorothea
of Celle
1666–1726		George I
of Great
Britain
1660–1727		Sophia
Charlotte
of Hanover
1688–1705		Frederick I
1657-1688-1713		Catherine
of Sweden
1584–1638		John Casimir
of Kleeburg
1589–1652
Caroline
of Ansbach
1683–1737		George II of
Great Britain
1683–1760		Sophia
Dorothea
of Hanover
1687–1757		Frederick
William I
1688–1713-1740		Louis IX
of Hesse-
Darmstadt
1719–1790		Eleonora
Catherine of
Zweibrücken
1626–1692		Frederick
of Hesse-
Eschwege
1617–1655		Elisabeth
Sophie of
Mecklenburg
1613–1676
Frederick,
Prince of Wales
1707–1751		Augusta of
Saxe-Gotha
1719–1772		Charles Louis
Frederick of
Mecklenburg
1708–1752		Elisabeth
Albertine
of Saxe-
Hildburghausen
1713–1761		Christine
of Hesse-
Eschwege
1648–1702		Ferdinand
Albert I of
Brunswick-
Wolfenbüttel
1636–1687
George III of
the United
Kingdom
1738–1820		Charlotte of
Mecklenburg-
Strelitz
11744–1818		Charles II of
Mecklenburg-
Strelitz
1741–1816		Antoinette of
Brunswick-
Wolfenbüttel
1696–1762		Ferdinand
Albert II of
Brunswick-
Wolfenbüttel
1680–1735		Amalie
of Hesse-
Darmstadt
1754–1832
Augustus
William of
Prussia
1722–1758		Luise of
Brunswick-
Wolfenbüttel
1722–1780		Frederick II
the Great
1712-1740-1786		Elisabeth
Christine
of Brunswick-
Wolfenbüttel
1715–1797		Philippine
Charlotte
of Prussia
1716–1801		Charles I of
Brunswick-
Wolfenbüttel
1713–1780		Louise
of Hesse-
Darmstadt
1757–1830		Caroline
of Baden
1776–1841
William IV
of the United
Kingdom
1765–1837		Sophie
Antoinette
of Brunswick-
Wolfenbüttel
1724–1802		Frederica
Louisa of
Hesse-
Darmstadt
1751–1805		Frederick
William II
1744-1786-1797		Elizabeth
Christine of
Brunswick-
Woldenbüttel
1746–1840
Augusta
of Great
Britain
1737–1813		Charles
William of
Brunswick-
Wolfenbüttel
1735–1806		Francis of
Saxe-Coburg-
Saalfeld1750–1806		Frederick
William III
1770-1797-1840		Louise of
Mecklenburg-
Strelitz
1776–1810		Charles
Frederick of
Saxe-Weimar-
Eisenach
1783–1853
Caroline of
Brunswick-
Wolfenbüttel
1768–1821		George IV of
the United
Kingdom
1762–1830		Frederick
of York and
Albany
1763–1827		Frederica
Charlotte
of Prussia
1767–1820
Edward
of Kent and
Strathearn
1767–1820		Victoria of
Saxe-Coburg-
Saalfeld
1786–1861		Emich Carl
of Leiningen
1763–1814		Ernerst I of
Saxe-Coburg
and Gotha
1784–1844		Louise of
Saxe-Gotha-
Altenburg
1800–1831		William I
the Great
1797-1861-1888		Augusta
of Saxe-
Weimar-
Eisenach
1811–1890		Caroline
Matilda
of Great
Britain
1751–1775		Frederick
William IV
of Prussia
1795-1840-1861		Elisabeth
Ludovika
of Bavaria
1801–1873
Victoria of
the United
Kingdom
1819–1901		Albert of
Saxe-Coburg
and Gotha
1819–1861		Louise
Augusta
of Denmark
1771–1843		Frederick
Christian II
of Schleswig-
Holstein
1765–1814
Feodora of
Leiningen
1807–1872		Ernest I of
Hohenlohe-
Langenburg
1794–1860		Victoria of
the United
Kingdom
1840–1901		Frederick III
1831-1888-1888		Louise
Sophie of
Danneskiold-
Samsøe
1796–1867		Christian
August II of
Augustenburg
1798–1869
Adelheid of
Hohenlohe-
Langenburg
1835–1900		Frederick VIII
of Schleswig-
Holstein
1829–1880		Frederick
Francis II of
Mecklenburg-
Schwerin
1823–1883		Augusta
Reuss of
Köstritz
1822–1862		Alexander II
of Russia
1818-1855-1881		Maria of
Hesse and
by Rhine
1824–1880
Augusta
Victoria of
Schleswig-
Holstein
1858–1921		William II
1859-1888-1918-1941
in pretence
1918–1941		Frederick
Francis III of
Mecklenburg
Schwerin
1851–1897		Marie of
Mecklenburg-
Schwerin
1854–1920		Vladimir
Alexandrovich
of Russia
1847–1909		Maria
Alexandrovna
of Russia
1853–1920		Alfred of
Saxe-Coburg
and Gotha
1844–1900
Frederick
William V
in pretence
1882-1941-1951		Cecilie of
Mecklenburg-
Schwerin
1886–1945		Kirill
Vladimirovich
of Russia
1876–1938		Victoria
Melita of
Saxe-Coburg
and Gotha
1876–1936
Louis
Ferdinand
in pretence
1907-1951-1994		Kira
Kirillovna
of Russia
1909–1967
Donata
of Castell-
Rüdenhausen
1950–2015		Louis
Ferdinand
of Prussia
1944–1977
George
Frederick
in pretence
1976-1994-
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