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Article listed on Wikipedia:Votes for deletion Apr 30 to May 7 2004, consensus was to keep. Discussion:

Richard Kerry is only famous for being Democratic Presidential Candidate John Kerry's Dad. Most of this article is meant to shed light on the character of John Kerry himself, so shouldn't this information be merged with the John Kerry article? - DropDeadGorgias (talk) 20:04, Apr 30, 2004 (UTC)

  • Yes, it should. We've been through this before with the parents of John Edwards. --Michael Snow 20:13, 30 Apr 2004 (UTC)
    • The question was whether or not John Edwards' parents should be wikified when there was no article, not whether an article on them should be deleted. Also, apparently much more is known about the parents of John Kerry than those of John Edwards. anthony (see warning)
  • Keep. I don't think this should be included in the John Kerry article; it clutters it. We only need a brief summary of this there. I say just include a link to this in that article; anyway, his father is notable by his association with a very famous person. Everyking 20:44, 30 Apr 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete. Agree should be merged. --Samuel J. Howard 20:19, 30 Apr 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep: informative, significant. I agree w/ Everyking that it would clutter the John Kerry article to merge it. Wile E. Heresiarch 00:41, 1 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]
  • On the one hand, I want to delete; on the other hand, I wanted to keep Patrick Bouvier Kennedy. What's that got that this doesn't? Meelar 00:44, 1 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. You admit he's famous. Clearly he's notable by the fact that he's the father of John Kerry. But now the reasons for that fame and notability are not acceptable? I don't see how such loose standards can lead to fair decisions on inclusion. Just look at the comments of Meelar, for example. anthony (see warning)
  • Merge. --Merovingian ↕ T@Lk 01:21, May 1, 2004 (UTC)
  • KEEP. Kerry's dad was an author (Star Spangled Mirror), statesman, diplomat, and YES, the father of a potential President, and thus, his own fame is rising every day, hence KEEP, and expand (so it doesn't clutter up main site). By Anon.
    • Was mainly a lawyer for the forgein service, not a diplomat. His one diplomatic posting was in Oslo. His book was not particularly notable. "Despite its blunt arguments, The Star-Spangled Mirror received little attention. Foreign Affairs greeted it with a 90-word summation in its review section." As for him being a statesman, there is no evidence of this. If Kerry is actually elected president then he might deserve a seperate article, but not until then. That is one difference between this article and Patrick Bouvier Kennedy, Kennedy actually was president. In addition, PBK was born during JFK's time in the whitehouse, making his birth/death particularly noteworthy. (Anonymous votes don't count btw)--Samuel J. Howard 03:03, 2 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. I had originally planned not to vote, because of profound ambivalence (hand A: his most notable accomplishment is fathering a presidential candidate vs. hand B: Wikipedia is not paper and has numerous articles about other even more incredibly inane trivia that this is pretty substantial by comparison). After looking into this a bit more, I think this article should stay at least until after the election. If Kerry is actually elected, then it should likely stay permanently. If he loses, then it could probably be merged with the main Kerry article. My main reasoning is that this is a very topical article. As the election draws closer, there will be more people looking for background info on every aspects of John Kerry's life. Having a separate article on Richard Kerry I think only raised WP's profile in search engine's. And I think we may soon be learning more about Richard Kerry. Seems he kept a low profile, but he had a number of interesting connections. While it *could* simply get folded into the John Kerry article, that article is already massive. I'd prefer to keep details specifically about Richard in this article and only summarize the most relevant in the John Kerry page. older≠wiser 20:06, 2 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep; my only objection is possible copyvio, but it appears to be in the clear. And this article is more relevant than one may think: if nothing else, it reaffirms that most U.S. Presidential contests are for a select minority — scions of particular families with near-equivalent backgrounds, wealth, exclusive upbringing, etc. (<sigh> It's much more fun voting here than it will be this November...) Alcarillo 20:35, 5 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Not encyclopedic. --Hemanshu 02:41, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)

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