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It s the 25th but this has info about the 26th

Somebody forgot to press the "Save Page" button after changes were made to update the page, so I had to fortune to press the button and now it's new. -Amit

Rutter's correct winnings amount[edit]

There seems to be a conflict of how much Brad Rutter's winnings are from the UTOC. Since he received a bye to the second round, he didn't get the $15,000 of those winners of the first round. Therefore, if you add it up, his winning total in the UTOC is $2,100,000 and his overall winnings is $3,255,102. If Jeopardy's web site has those figures, then it has to be right. If Ken Jennings didn't receive the money from all those rounds he received a bye, then neither did Brad. http://www.jeopardy.com/announcement_20050525Final_PHl8P.php

--Tubutler 02:59, May 27, 2005 (UTC)

Alex Trebex did state on the show that all contestants with a first round bye received the $15,000. Taco Deposit | Talk-o to Taco 14:04, May 27, 2005 (UTC)
I don't understand why the figure $3,255,102 was mentioned twice on Jeopardy's press release if it were wrong. Someone mentioned on the UTOC talk pages that those in the Nifty Nine who LOST in the second round received the $15,000 plus their money from the second round, but those who WON in the second round didn't receive that bye money. Then again, Jeopardy's web site, that poster, and I could be wrong... --Tubutler 03:05, May 28, 2005 (UTC)
Well, if you change $3,270,102 to $3,255,102, you might as well change Ken's figure from $2,522,700 to $2,520,700, which is what the Jeopardy! site lists. --68.194.108.16 19:35, 28 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Authenticity check: A search reveals that the phrase "regarded by many" appears in the text. Is the phrase a symptom of a dubious statement? Could a source be quoted instead? Perhaps the "many" could be identified? Might text be edited to more genuinely reflect specific facts?

Wetman

If you eliminate the "regarded by many", you're saying he was the best Jeopardy player of all time. He won more money than any other, so there is a colorable claim, but Ken Jennings won more games, so he has a colorable claim as well. Until recently, a champion had a maximum of 5 days, perhaps to be followed by a Tournament of Champions, so it's as hard to compare today's winners with winners in the past as it is to compare Hank Aaron with Babe Ruth. And the game itself has changed; the Art Fleming years are "regarded by many" to have used more difficult questions.

The "regarded by many" statement doesn't mean Brad is a better player; it means he is highly popular, which is not really in question, is it? The folks who were clerks with him at Coconuts say Brad keeps his parents' names, his street address, his birth date, and his email address confidential because so many women, both married and single, want to bear a kid with a great mind. (I didn't want to clear up the ambiguity about his birth year because the documents that verify that date would also provide data he's rather not publicize.) ClairSamoht 01:37, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"It was a meaningless situation, unlike the other two"[edit]

I removed the word "meaninglessly", [1], and User:271828182 restored it. [2] Can someone explain to me why the word "meaninglessly" belongs there? Dionyseus 04:22, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sure. It was the second game of a two-day match. Rutter bet only enough to win the two-day match, whereas Newhouse bet everything he had on that day. If the second game's scores had meant anything in-themselves, Rutter could have bet more and beaten Newhouse's daily score just as he did his cumulative total. 271828182 15:11, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for explaining. Dionyseus 15:14, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Grand Slam[edit]

He lost.... Why is he "as of this moment" 1-1. Is he going to come back after being eliminated? Isn't he done? TheHYPO 17:38, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I believe it is single elimination and you were just the first to edit the entry subsequently. Relax, bro ... just outdated information. :) Josephgrossberg 22:22, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Table at the end of article[edit]

Shouldn't the table at the bottom of the article be edited to include Brad Rutter's name? OlEnglish (talk) 15:08, 9 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Actor/TV host[edit]

At the end of the article, it says that Rutter became "an actor and TV host," and Jeopardy confirms he moved to LA to do that. But he has no credits. Don't you actually have to have an actual career before something like that can be stated as fact? 69.45.100.129 (talk) 21:01, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Never Lost to a Human?[edit]

In the match against Watson on February 16, 2011, although Watson was the winner, Brad Rutter even had less money than Ken Jennings. This being the case, didn't Jennings "beat" Rutter? --75.27.237.193 (talk) 04:07, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have rewritten the text to finesse this distinction. The game was repeatedly described as "an exhibition". 271828182 (talk) 09:57, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Biggest Money Winner?[edit]

Apparently Rutter is "the second biggest all-time money winner on a game show." Who's the first? Brauden (talk) 09:45, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ken Jennings.--Orakologen (talk) 08:06, 13 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Never lost? - Why only "20 regular season" wins?[edit]

I think this should be answered within the article - as, if Rutter never lost, 'he should still be the "returning champion.'" I don't know the answer, so I can't make the edit myself. Manixx2a (talk) 22:40, 18 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

His initial run on the show took place back when a champion had to exit the show after five consecutive wins. 67.3.112.53 (talk) 19:56, 21 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of the Decades Source[edit]

The discussion of this tournament says: "Rutter participated in the Jeopardy! 2014 Battle of the Decades, pitting top champions from throughout the previous 30 years of Jeopardy!, where he won the tournament and $1,000,000.[10] With this win, Rutter regained the record as the highest money-winner ever on American game shows, which Jennings had held since 2008."

However, [10] gives a source from 2005 (Bill Toland. "A: He beat the best. Q: Who is Brad Rutter?" Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. May 27, 2005. A1.) which means it could not be a reliable source for a tournament that took place in 2014. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.6.139.62 (talk) 19:57, 6 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Was it necessary to add he won the tournament tonight n hour ago before it had aired everywhere? I know this is wikipedia but at the very least take note whoever did didn’t even cite the source of their info. Hopped on to refresh my memory of his winning before final jeopardy, got a very unwelcome surprise. Thanks, wiki editors. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Goddale120 (talk • contribs) 01:01, 6 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Earnings[edit]

I have gone over the numbers for Brad's winning and have come across some issues. Rather that spinning my wheels around with no set answer, I believe that a discussion is warranted to go over the numbers and make sure that there is no incorrect information. Before I go over things, I have been using the current version of the article and this version which was the final edit before the "Jeopardy winning career" section was added.

The first thing to address is his winning from his initial 5-day run in 2000. Both versions list $55,102 as the amount that he won, not counting the value of the two cars. Then, we have the 2001 Tournament of Champions which Rutter won the $100,000 main prize and the 2002 Million Dollar Masters Tournament which he won the $1,000,000 main prize. Everything added up is $1,155,102 + 2 vehicles. The 2005 Ultimate Tournament of Champions is where things get confusing. The article text lists that he won $2,100,000 from the main prize while the section below adds it as $2,000,000 instead. Another hiccup is if the $15,000 bye should be included or not, which the articles claim was not from the official Jeopardy! records. This gives a range of $3,155,102 to $3,270,102 depending on how it is interpreted. While the archived source is incorrect on the year of his appearance, the value is correct so long as the amount of money Rutter won on the 2005 Ultimate Tournament of Champions was $2,100,000 instead of $2,000,000 and does not included the money from the bye.

From here, we have the 2011 Jeopardy! IBM Challenge exhibition match which was the third-place $200,000. The Jeopardy! 2014 Battle of the Decades was a $1,000,000 win. The Jeopardy! All-Star Games is listed as a three-way split of $1,000,000 though the value is rounded up on the "Jeopardy winning career." Finally, listed only on the updated article, is the $250,000 runner-up prize for Jeopardy! GOAT. That would be $5,038,435 for just Jeopardy! provided that all of the values on the article are correct and that the $15,000 bye and the value of the cars are not counted. Finally, the only other monetary prize that Brad seems to have won was a six-way split of $600,000. That would add $100,000 to his overall earring and place it at $5,138,435 should my calculations be correct with the same conditions as the prior sentence.

For the remaining issues in the "Jeopardy winning career," the values in the section were not touched from its inclusion to this edit. Afterwards, the 2014 Battle of the Decades goes down from $1,030,600 to $1,000,000 and the 2005 Ultimate Tournament of Champions goes down from $2,115,000 to $2,000,000. The total is updated from $4,876,036 to "$4,688,436 + cars" though the difference between the two values is almost $200,000 which is off to my calculations. Finally, the recent updates to the article have added the Jeopardy! GOAT earnings to both the section and the infobox. As of this message, the infobox has the values $5,038,436 for his total game show earnings and $4,938,436 for his total Jeopardy! earnings while the section has "$4,938,436 + cars" as his Jeopardy! total.

While I am unsure of the prizes for the Battle of the Decades and the Ultimate Tournament of Champions, and I am unsure of a source for the moment, I do want to know if the bye and the value of the cars can be ignored or not. --Super Goku V (talk) 07:44, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The Jeopardy! Hall of Fame has Rutter with $4,688,436 which at the moment does not include the GOAT tournament winnings. When that is added, it gives him $4,938,436, which is what you have listed without the cars. I would think that would be what it should go with. posty (talk) 19:36, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Matisyahu?[edit]

"He appeared on the U.S. game show 1 vs. 100 (as a member of "the Mob") on December 1, 2006, and again on December 8, 2006. He answered every question correctly and was one of only seven mob members to survive to the next show, as was Annie Duke. He would be eliminated on the December 15 episode on a question about Jewish reggae musician Matisyahu." Can someone source this? Just watched a recording of the show and it seems like he got out on a different question. Gayfantasia (talk) 04:38, 15 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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