Talk:Robert Devereux, 2nd Earl of Essex

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It would be interesting to know the location of Robert Devereux's father's estate in Wales.

Pembroke?--shtove 23:33, 14 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Guerrilla[edit]

Is a reference to guerrilla warfare in 16thC. Ireland anachronistic?--shtove 11:16, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Richard II polemic[edit]

I think there's a typo in this article... it talks about the beheading of Charles I in 1939.

Yip - introduced in a personal polemic. I removed the whole section - it can be pasted back in, but should stick to facts and fit in to the flow of the article.--shtove 19:49, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hamlet[edit]

I'm going to add a section on scholarly comparisons of this man to Hamlet. This has been discussed and debated quite a bit by scholars, so I think it will merit a whole section. Wrad 18:10, 15 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Descent from Henry IV?[edit]

I did not know he was decended from Henry IV. Could someone show me the line as to how he descends from Henry IV? Virgosky 15:12, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I can trace, this claim is wrong. Among Henry IV's children, Henry V, Philippa, queen of Denmark, Norway and Sweden, and Thomas, duke of Clarence's lines died out quickly. Humphrey, duke of Gloucester had only an illegitimate child, Antigone, who married twice - I am unsure if she had any offspring. Henry IV's daughter, Blanche, married Louis III, Elector Palatine, so I doubt it means her as I assume her descendants wouldn't have been in England. However, his great-grandmothers included Anne Stafford, Countess of Huntingdon and Mary Boleyn, so through Anne he was descended from Edward III several times other and through Mary he was a first cousin twice removed of Elizabeth I's. However, these were claims many at court could make. I believe that the statement in the article, that he considered himself her equal, is too condemning; it would need to be backed up. I will remove this and if anyone has more information/references, please add them in Boleyn (talk) 17:31, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Poetry?[edit]

Does anyone know much about the poetry of Robert Devereux? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.68.82.233 (talk) 00:08, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

War hero?[edit]

I'm surprised that the author of this article qualified Devereux of war hero because as his military career shows it, he has contribued more to failure for England than success. - Failure in Portugal. - Failure in the island voyage. - Failure in Ireland. - Quite useless help to Henri IV of France.

Is that a war hero ?

90.9.154.43 (talk) 10:56, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I couldn't agree more but the fact remains that the Elizabethans considered Essex a war hero. God knows why. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.120.218.157 (talk) 16:23, 26 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

POV[edit]

Currently the article states "Robert Devereux, 2nd Earl of Essex (10 November 1565[1] – 25 February 1601), is the best-known of the many holders of the title "Earl of Essex."

It depends on which area of history one is interested in Robert Devereux, 2nd Earl of Essex is well known but so is Robert Devereux, 3rd Earl of Essex the general who lead the Parliamentary armies in their first major battles of the English Civil War.

I am removing the POV because it is not sourced and AFAICT it is a view of User:Deb who created the article back in 2002. --PBS (talk) 08:47, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

York House, Strand[edit]

I'm reasonably certain that although Essex was indeed effectively confined to York House, it wasn't, and never was, 'his own' estate. At the time of his confinement it was occupied by the Lord Keeper Thomas Egerton, 1st Viscount Brackley. His attempted insurrection took place from Essex House (London), where indeed Egerton was taken hostage. His band of men rode out of this house towards St. Paul's Cathedral, where they were hoping to gather public support, and were received with overall indifference. The insurrection a complete failure, Essex retreated back to his estate, where he found that one of his followers, I cannot remember whom off the top of my head, had released his hostages.

I won't edit the main page until I find references, but the idea that the insurrection started from the house in which the protector of one of the most powerful reminders of the authority of Elizabeth I resided, is absolutely incorrect.

T.E.Szakacs (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 13:06, 9 December 2009 (UTC).[reply]

You are absolutely correct, of course! I am sure I never even read this part of the article so far; I have now corrected it to Essex House for the moment. Please feel welcome to contribute to or correct the article, especially as it is not yet very developed. Buchraeumer (talk) 13:20, 9 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ancestor of the Queen?[edit]

He is an ancestor of Queen Elizabeth II.

The reference to his family tree does not show by what line he is related to our present royal family. Valetude (talk) 06:18, 20 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

At Shrewsbury School?[edit]

I have noticed in the article on Shrewsbury as well in this one that he was educated at Shrewsbury School which was founded the same century. However, this is not supported by Venn which does not mention any schooling before entering Cambridge University. I have therefore edited it out but it can be reinstated if someone can find citeable proof. There is possibly a misunderstanding at work - Essex's tutor was Thomas Ashton, Shrewsbury School's first headmaster, but he retired from the headship at Shrewsbury in 1568 and did not enter the service of the Essex household until 1571 when the future 2nd Earl was five, so would not have been taught by Ashton at the school.Cloptonson (talk) 12:38, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]