Talk:Chris Morris (satirist)

"Never does interviews"

This statement pops up in every Morris journo piece ever written, and once again in this Wiki, and it's hugely untrue. He's done *tons* of interviews, most of which are collected on Cook'd and Bomb'd. DJ Solid Snail (talk) 21:12, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

That's true he's hardly enigmatic when his face is all over the tabloids now is he?

He never did have the makings of a varsity athlete.

POV

Nice to see some updates to this article; I think it's right to emphasise the hysteria, although I'm a bit worried about the section that begins "It was abundantly clear...". I saw the show on first broadcast and, as a Morris fan, thought it was brilliant, but even I didn't think that Morris was entirely discrete in defining his targets. Perhaps we can change it to something less subjective like "Many viewers were confused as to whether Morris' target was paedophilia, the targets of paedophilia or, as Morris says, media coverage of the subject.

What do you think?

Rayray 07:17, 23 Aug 2003 (UTC)

"Other projects since Brass Eye have included Blue Jam, an ambient late-night music and sketch show broadcast on BBC Radio 1, which became the flawed Jam on Channel 4."

I don't think the TV show was flawed, and if it was it should say how in the article.

Edward 18:13, 22 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Edward: I think this is part of wider problem which is the tendency to put criticism into articles. If the article said that Jam received mixed critical reception, that would be fine, but I agree with you that to describe it as flawed without explanation isn't helpful.

Rayray 10:43, 23 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Yes, if somebody wanted to talk of critical reception, either in general, or (probably preferably) with specific quotes, that would be fine, but the Wikipedia itself shouldn't have an opinion, with or without reasoning, on whether it was "flawed" or not. It's an easy enough problem to fix, though: just remove the word "flawed". I've done that, I think it's OK now. --Camembert —Preceding undated comment added 18:35, 23 March 2004 (UTC).

Date of birth

I don't think the date of birth given for Chris is correct, as I was born in 1963 and he was the year above me at school.

oooh! Have you got any gossip? --bodnotbod 01:49, Jul 21, 2004 (UTC)

But to answer the question, it's perfectly possible to be 2 birthdays older than someone in the year below cos of the school year running from September to June. Although, I'd guess from Morris's standard of education you'd be equipped to account for that. --bodnotbod 01:58, Jul 21, 2004 (UTC)

No particular gossip I'm 'fraid, though he lost one of his front teeth playing rugby - he had a plate. Dunstan 17:09, 29 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Was there no indication of his intimidating sense of humour? Practical jokes? I suppose you don't get wind of that so much being in a different year. He never got barracked in assembly or anything? --[[User:Bodnotbod|bodnotbod ......TALKQuietly)]] 19:36, Jul 29, 2004 (UTC)

I do remember when his year group put on Aristophanes' play "The Frogs" in the lower sixth - he totally stole the show as the boatman. Dunstan 14:04, 30 Jul 2004 (UTC)

He's actually a Gemini, born on 15 June 62 according to this:

http://www.companyguide.co.uk/gm060801.htm

Must admit, he cartainly comes across as more quick-witted and Mercurial than as a dry-as-dust, fusspot Virgo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.98.96.38 (talk) 16:44, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

That the source itself is sceptical of his birthdate (saying "Can we even believe that this is his 'real' birthdate (stated as June 15 1962)?") suggests we probably shouldn't be using this. --McGeddon (talk) 09:31, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Well, there's a contradiction in the article between the stated birth year of 1962 and the category of 1965 births.90.61.60.202 (talk) 16:52, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

I have changed the date back again as this is the one given in his approved biography "Disgusting Bliss" by Lucian Randall, who, one presumes, did his research. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.155.36.110 (talk) 09:33, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Whoever keeps changing the date back to September - please provide a reason/evidence for this? The September birthdate is early-era Morris misinformation. The biographer is correct. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.155.36.110 (talk) 20:39, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

I have contacted the author of the Morris Biography, Lucian Randall and he confirms he checked the date of birth with the births and deaths register (http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp), and he paid for a copy of the certificate. It confirms the June birth date. What do I have to do, Mr McGeddon, to prove to you that his is correct? Do I have to buy a certificate myself and send it to you, or does this count as 'original research' ?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Recidivist23 (talk • contribs) 14:28, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

"Christ's fat cock"

According to User:62.252.0.4:

Morris has never shouted "Christ's fat cock" at Cliff Richard. He has, interjected mid-coversation (not shouting), by saying "cock naked". This is a popular myth that needs to be stamped out. [1]

Can anyone confirm or deny this? I don't have the show in question to hand, and the Cook'd and Bomb'd site is beastly dead at the moment. [2] [3]

chocolateboy 19:47, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)

its not true, none of it, and if it were true, then i would expect to be the first to be knowing about about it. im glad to have got this off my considered considerable chest. Does anybody else know anything about 'Californian Swear Dogs'? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.252.0.4 (talk) 16:54, 14 January 2005 (UTC)

"Christ's fat cock" actually comes from one of the monologues or "listener's letters" that he used to read out on air. It was the one about a stalker that ended something like "at your wedding, I imagined what it would be like to be married to you. I did this by hiding in the bushes and wanking" - Vaughan —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.101.1.12 (talk) 02:37, 20 March 2005 (UTC)

^ Eh? Anyway, Chocolateboy - the first user was spot-on. Cliff was talking, bizarrely, about how if you were punishing somebody for "being blasphemous or whatever," it wouldn't make sense to let them keep on their "heavy cloak" - you should probably have them stripped down completely. And Morris says, with an obvious overstated satisfaction, "Cock naked." Cliff: "Pardon me?" There are two instances of "Christ's fat cock" in the Radio 1 shows: (1) During one of the frozen piss monologues, I forget which one ("Christ's fat cock, how I ached") and (2) During Wayne Carr's 'Listen Without Prejudice Week' intro to one show, which interrupts Morris. After Wayne spills out something racist, Morris exclaims on top of it: "Christ's fat cock, you can't say that!" I think CM wanted "Christ's fat cock" in On the Hour but, as that pushes the boundaries a bit for an early evening Radio 4 comedy, had to settle with "God's trousers," which is mumbled at the end of one episode. One paper must have originally pieced some random bits together and come up with the idea that CM shouted "Christ's fat cock" at Cliff, and it's been repeated sporadically ever since. And there are tons of instances of this re: Morris' career - you can't particularly trust any articles on the subject, because no journos can be fucked to research it. DJ Solid Snail (talk) 21:16, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Four long years for a reply and seven for this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.147.79.5 (talk) 11:26, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

Uninformative

This page is much too vague and uninformative, with statements like "Morris is widely regarded as someone reluctant to discuss his work", and "He is currently said to be eager to return to radio - news welcomed by a large part of his considerable fanbase", which contain no real information. Someone with a knowledge of the man's career should tighten this article up by replacing the hearsay and speculation with actual content.

For example: What pranks did he do on radio? What was shocking about Brass Eye? Who criticised it, who hadn't seen it, who liked it, who specifically "felt that the programme's target was actually media coverage of the subject"? How often does he give interviews and who is going around saying that he never gives them? Has he really stopped creating new material? Who says he's returning to radio?

User:Lfh —Preceding undated comment added 11:30, 15 March 2005 (UTC).

Fair point, few would dispute it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.136.110.75 (talk) 04:54, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Nothing is mentioned about the Slaw brothers a mime troupe from the 90s. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.136.105.222 (talk) 17:02, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Structure

This article could do with some headings to give it better structure I think. It's a bit long not to have headings. Ben Finn 19:27, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

Unsuitable sentence

"His output since 2001 has contained little new material, consisting mainly of recycled material (dating back to 1994) reconfigured in a "darker" style." is opinion, not neutral pov and surely not suitable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.253.148.41 (talk) 14:25, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Copyright?

Have a look at this website: [4] it looks like a lot of information on this article has been lifted from there. Or is it the other way around?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.92.168.215 (talk • contribs) 13:17, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Looks like they took their info from Wikipedia. I checked another couple of comedians at random (Ben Elton and Rik Mayall), and their pages at Comedy-Zone exactly match Wikipedia's articles from around November 2005. Looking back through the history of those pages, you can see that info being added piece by piece, by a host of different editors. So, they nabbed it from us.--Nalvage 13:41, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

An Eminem clone

"An Eminem clone" - Fur Q - the person he parodies doesn't look like Eminem, it looks far more like Fred Durst - look at your DVDs and videotapes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.11.130.53 (talk • contribs) 04:00, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

But listen to the music. Yes, he has a Durst-style hat, but the clear model is Eminem. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.115.176.20 (talk • contribs) 19:41, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Agreed with that, the musical style and the voice are a clear immitation of Eminem. Anjow 18:50, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

er...Day Today (Fur-Q) was 1994. Eminem was still making demo tapes - only released Slim Shady EP 3 years later in 1997 according to his wiki page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.134.120.34 (talk • contribs) 23:08, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Right. Definitely not Eminem. If he has a specific model in mind for Fur Q it's probably Ice T (with the graphically violent lyrics/persona and the heavy "borrowing" of other songs and samples). That said, I think it's more likely that Fur Q personifies the genre (and controversy) of gangsta rap without necessarily being based on any one single performer at all. 74.4.54.69 (talk) 22:10, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Hmm... Actually you're both wrong because "Fur Q" was in the BrassEye - Paedophilia special of 2001. Long after Eminem's debut, and pretty much at the height of his fame. You misread that part of the article - "Fur Q" was not in The Day Today at all. - Lontano (talk) 04:44, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Fur Q was in The Day Today, but "Eminem clone" in the article clearly refers to JLb-8 who was indeed in the 2001 Brass Eye special. -CapitalLetterBeginning (talk) 10:06, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes, you're right. Two different characters got mixed up. Thanks. - Lontano (talk) 13:54, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Fur Q was nothing to do with Eminem or Durst, as neither of them were famous in 1994, when the character was shown in The Day Today. In addition, Morris blacked up to play Fur Q, whereas Eminem and Durst are both white. Nietzsche 2 (talk) 01:06, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

fur q..... ice t...... fur q..... ice t..... no? can't see it? still think it's fred durst or marshall mathers III? honestly.... duncanrmi (talk) 00:44, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

Funny?

What's so bloody funny about saying that Jimmy Savile died? Really, I don't get the joke! Acmthompson (talk) 12:06, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk pages are for discussing and improving the quality of articles, not for conversations about the subject. The article doesn't specifically assert that the Savile stunt was "funny". --McGeddon (talk) 12:38, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

It was though. It was hilarious. "Although I suspect that some of them will be sorry he didn't suffer a great deal more before his death..." DJ Solid Snail (talk) 21:18, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

What kind of pathetic cunt goes on Wikipedia to tell the world they don't get a joke? I don't like marmalade incase anyone is interested. Come on Acmthompson, tell us something else useful, interesting and relevent. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.234.88.115 (talk) 21:31, 8 April 2009 (UTC) So what kind of pathetic cnut goes on radio to say that someone's died when he hasn't?Acmthompson (talk) 19:10, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Jimmy Savile literally is dead now, which means (according to the South Park rule on temporality and transitions from tragedy to comedy) the joke will become funny 22.3 years from now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.225.230.68 (talk) 13:22, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Music

http://host.mnrgig0a03.com/~mwga0320/justmcg/music/nophi.htm is this him? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.132.192.154 (talk) 12:09, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

GLR

Off-air recordings of his shows are in circulation amongst fans dating up to late 1993 (the date is usually given in the news broadcasts). Radio Times listings for GLR 1989-93 confirm that he broadcast regularly throughout this period with no apparent suspensions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.253.102.33 (talk) 12:27, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Four Lions IMDb link

I am new to all this updating pages thing and wondered if anyone could reliably update the 'Four Lions' reference with the following link - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1341167/ (Kyuketsukitenshi (talk) 09:34, 19 February 2009 (UTC))

Utterly good article

This article needs to go in the Wikipedia utterly good article category, it desperately needs contributors to swing into action on this front. It seems that Morris hasn't done a lot of interviews and I for one think that he might be considered a lot better if he did. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.74.236.91 (talk) 16:47, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Malicious removal of on-topic links

Why is the link to the Chris Morris archive at www.cookdandbombd.co.uk being continually removed now? The history of this article shows it's been there for a long time, and it would seem entirely relevant. Obviously someone with an axe to grind. Wiki seems completely fine with links to "fan sites" on all other pages, such as Alan_Partridge, David_Walliams etc There is also a proliferation of links to the British Comedy Guide on this site, yet a single link to the cookdandbombd site is unallowed? Again, this is clearly someone with a grudge. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiger Toods (talk • contribs) 22:59, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

WP:EL is the guideline that states what should or shouldn't be linked to in the "external links" section. I actually find it quite offensive that you're implying people remove this link because they have "a grudge" rather than assuming good faith, but just to be sure I checked the link and think it perfectly fits the description of a link to be avoided. It really doesn't matter if there are other articles that link to fansites/forums or if the link has been in the article for some time (this isn't a very active article), and as it's a "link to be avoided" I'll remove it again. While I'm at it, I'll also remove the "BESTBAR(NONE)" link (doesn't work anymore) and the one to "trashbat.co.uk" (not about Chris Morris; it's already in the EL section of Nathan Barley which imho is where it should be). --Six words (talk) 23:53, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

• This is now blacklisted due to persistent linkspamming. Welcome to the law of unintended consequences. Guy (Help!) 10:52, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

That CaB site isn't a "fansite", either, it's billed as a "chris morris archive", that provides a repository of information. It's prominently name-checked as a source in the new Morris biog, is clearly notable in and of itself, and should be available to people who want more up-to-date information than is provided on a wiki page which the maintainers themselves admit 'isn't very active'. So much for wiki being somewhere to find up-to-date knowledge, or links to same.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiger Toods (talk • contribs) 19:57, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Completely agree. C&B has been a complete labour of love for the past 11 years, Neil Kennedy and others putting in a phenomenal amount of time and effort to create and maintain it.

• As an impartial observer of the conversation, I looked at the site and consider that while, in reference to WP:EL, it is reminiscent of a 'fansite' (11) it DOES contain 'a unique resource beyond what the article would contain' (1) and that this supersedes any other doubt, particularly considering it does not (IMHO) contravene the spirit of WP:EL or any of it's most serious objections. A blacklisting would be very heavy-handed in this case. Tubusy (talk) 04:49, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

• FWIW, I agree; its addition to the blacklist did seem a touch of overkill. I've requested its removal from the blacklist, though I've left it up to wiser heads than mine to decide its ultimate fate. Steve ^T • C 23:21, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

• Thirded. Please re-instate the link ASAP. Recidivist23 (talk) 10:42, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Airport announcements

Hi. I just added a small sentence about his airport pranks in the 'recognition' section. If someone here could edit it and make it better please! The samples of those pranks are here: http://stuffucanuse.com/airport/airport-announcement.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.4.200.235 (talk) 12:04, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Wiki Project Morris

This is likely to be the start of something really important so I'll make this as brief as I possibly can. Wikiprojectmorris. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.74.247.250 (talk) 13:00, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Flight of the Conchords

No source cited to give reason to believe that it is the same Chris Morris who is credited with sound on the Flight of the Conchords radio show. And according to a discussion thread on Cookd and Bombd, it's a different Chris Morris. So removing the assertion as uncited in a BLP. --Larrybob (talk) 21:58, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Is there any interview or other proof that Morris is not the sound engineer, and where does he deny it? Does he have a jolly good alibi? Could it be someone with the same name just trying out their hand at showbiz thinking that having the same name as the satirist might be some advantage? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.74.225.236 (talk) 14:16, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Putting stuff in just for the sake of it

The sentence "His move away from the BBC in 1987 coincided with a schoolboy prank where he flooded a news studio with helium while a bulletin was being presented. The resultant increase in pitch of the newsreader was amusing, but unfortunately had the effect of pushing him to pastures new." seems a little odd to me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.74.140.212 (talk) 16:58, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Agreed - the sentence "The Day Today made a star of Morris" is futuristic and seems to have been written on a very worn out computer in a poorly climate controlled library annexe. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.171.135.153 (talk) 06:31, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Seconded - the sentence "Until 1990, he was presenting Friday night and Saturday morning shows on Radio Bristol" has all the hallmarks of having been written by an outsourced typist in Mumbai, just look at the shoddy quality of the 'o's for goodness sake! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.225.230.68 (talk) 13:49, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Article and discussion littered with inappropriate hilarity

As you are no doubt all very well aware, both the article itself and this discussion is littered with Morris-related in-jokes. From the reference to "made-up issues" (a direct reference to the "made-up" [synthesised/invented] drug in Brass Eye) to the mention of "the actor Kevin Eldon" (the "the actor" prefix was regularly used by Lee and Herring to describe Eldon in a whimsical manner!), the article lacks the gravity and soberness appropriate to the usually uptight and pedantic tone of Wikipedia. The discussion page, meanwhile, includes more implicit jokes than I have time to recount here. But I don't need to tell you that, do I? You silly, silly people. This whole article and its discussion page violates WP:FKD:BMD, which stipulates that all Wikipedia articles must be written, maintained and fact-checked by snuffling bespectacled tapirs with the sense of humour of an SS Officer. I therefore submit that it should be removed immediately. I am today launching an awareness-raising campaign about the damage that such an article does to Wikipedia's credentials. I ask you to join my campaign to have the page removed, Wiki Article Nonsense Kontrol (W.A.N.K.). I already have Phil Collins and James Blunt on board and momentum is gathering! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.225.230.68 (talk) 13:39, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

That was frankly abysmal. Gratuitous whimsy juxtaposed with predictable, hackneyed references to pop culture. Also, quips concerning Wikipedia's apparent lack/intolerance of humour fall rather flat; the articles are not intended to amuse. This is an online encyclopædia, and if you peruse a few of the policies and such you will see that "our" intent is to establish a reputation for professionalism, academic acumen and rigour, etc., to a degree befitting, say, Britannica. I had to scavenge deep within my rectum for that spiel. Salutations. 124.168.211.152 (talk) 02:50, 28 December 2012 (UTC) (User:Psychonavigation)

MOrrace is a jeniuos. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.149.26.202 (talk) 13:22, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

Agreed - it all seems to be written on one of earth's original gradient form computers larger than some library or other is able to handle. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.149.22.237 (talk) 12:20, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Birth Place

Is anyone able to provide a legit up to date reference for the Bristol birth information? A dead link to a British Arts Council page, which according to archive.org makes claim to the birth place, is hardly reliable when it is likely based on this Wikipedia article. I notice the Bristol birth place has been on this Wiki article for years previous with no reference. The fact a published book confirms the name of his mother who was from Colchester, and official birth records show Morris was born in Colchester is surely enough. But user Farrtj continues to revert with no explanation to an unreferenced (and false) birth place of Bristol. Perhaps this is hard to grasp for some editors, but because someone went to Bristol to attend university, doesn't mean they were born there. Wikipedia is supposed to deal in facts.

Krimpyjoe (talk) 22:49, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Exactly, it wasn't Cowsick either. Ted Maul reports from there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.147.81.103 (talk) 11:29, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

Little known about Morris

Very little is known about Morris. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.147.164.31 (talk) 13:27, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

Little has been added to this section in recent times. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.147.173.106 (talk) 13:49, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

Fur Wool has little value as a source of enlightenment — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.136.106.65 (talk) 15:13, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

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Birthmark claim sourcing attempt

I managed to find a reliable source which mentions Morris having a birthmark on his face, however, The Guardian simply repeats The Mirror's claim which is substantially less reliable as the latter is a tabloid. I've removed the citation needed tag, inserted former source but tagged it with better source needed due to its reliance on the latter's claim and the failed verification for the makeup covering part of the statement. Thanks, SITH (talk) 09:52, 23 September 2020 (UTC)