Talk:12th century BC

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I think we can add here for the fall of Troy the date 1184 BC that is traditional and that we can find everywhere, for exemple here: http://www.sarissa.org/troy.htm - Noises

Sorry. That's speculation, based on all kinds of deductions and assumptions. MichaelTinkler

I'm with Noises with reservations - where a date's "traditional" but lacking independent foundation, I think it should be entered, but in the form: "Traditional date (given by/based on ...) for .... There is no real evidence for the date, and the event may have occurred some/many years/decades/centuries earlier/later/earlier or later" - or something like that, so that users who look up the date (assuming it's supported) can get an idea of the extent to which it isn't. - User:David Parker

Real dates of Rameses III[edit]

In the wiki article concerning the 12th century BC (New Section) we find the following;

"1197 BC: Ramses III of Egypt repels attacks by northern invaders (the "Sea-Peoples")."

However Wikipedia also has an entry concerning Ram. III, which gives a differing view of his dates! Should not someone make the corrections or offer a reason for the disconnections?69.92.23.64 (talk) 19:28, 27 April 2010 (UTC)Ronald L. Hughes[reply]

By the way the Wikipedia article concerning R. III, says; "Ramesses III is believed to have reigned from March 1186 to April 1155 BC. He was born approximately 1220 BC [1]. This is based on his known accession date of I Shemu day 26 and his death on Year 32 III Shemu day 15, for a reign of 31 years, 1 month and 19 days.[2] (Alternate dates for this king are 1187 to 1156 BC)." 69.92.23.64 (talk) 19:37, 27 April 2010 (UTC)Ronald L. Hughes[reply]

You might well notice this; "April 24, 1184 BC: Traditional date for the fall of Troy, Asia Minor to the Mycenaeans and their allies. This marks the end of the Trojan War of Greek mythology. 1181 BC: Menestheus, legendary King of Athens and veteran of the Trojan War, dies after a reign of 23 years and is succeeded by his..." Thus, it seems that there exists the possibility that the Peoples of the Isles or Sea, both invaded Egypt and took Troy at about the same time? But, wait, it was the Greeks who took Troy, and the mysterious Sea People failed to take Egypt?69.92.23.64 (talk) 19:42, 27 April 2010 (UTC)Ronald L. Hughes[reply]