Talk:Joe Sacco

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Resources[edit]

Here're some places to help one get started. I'm going to be looking for more, going through these, and then'll get going on this article. Snoutwood (talk) 20:09, 24 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

BBC interview notes[edit]

I've taken notes on this interview since it's audio and I don't want to have to listen through the whole thing every time I want to remember what was said on it. The interview took place on August 27, 2004, with Ben Arnold.

Clip 1: Couldn't find a journalism job once out of school. Worked in "a couple of factories." Managed to get a few journalism jobs, but was bored, not what he'd imagined. Fantasy of being a foreign correspondent when in school. Dropped journalism for comics. Started in fiction. Due to natural interest in politics, "accidentally the two things [comics and journalism] were combined" when he visited Palestine. Then, became much more "consciously comics journalism."

Clip 2: Self-conscious, unsure of what he was doing. Avoided other journalists, but when he started spending time with them he was treated as one of their own. They especially liked his ability to research for longer. Accepted because he knew what he was doing. Never had problems from other journalists. Trouble from a NGO once: said, "Boy, a cartoonist in Sarajevo. Isn't that like having a ski instructor in Idaho?"

Clip 3: Mostly about the Neven character in The Fixer. "It's always hard to tell for a journalist what's true and what isn't. And sometimes we rely on people around us to, to show us around, you know, and, or to give us information. And sometimes people will steer a journalist in a certain direction, it [sic] may not translate everything that's being told, for whatever reason, political or personal.... So, that's one of the issues I just wanted to bring up. And let, sort of let readers know that that's sort of what goes on in these situations."

Hopefully that'll come in handy. Snoutwood (talk) 05:57, 26 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Timeline[edit]

I'm getting a few conflicting reports on Sacco's life, so I'm constructing a timeline here to try and figure out what the correct history is. I'll be adding to it as time goes by and as I get more sources. Snoutwood (talk) 23:18, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  1. Born in Malta on October 2, 1960. (Drawn and Quarterly bio)
  2. Spends childhood in Australia, 1961-72. (Read Yourself RAW bio)
  3. Immigrates to L.A. in '72. (Drawn and Quarterly bio)
  4. B.A. in journalism from the University of Oregon in 1981. (D&W, RAW, Fantagraphics bio)
  5. Goes back to Malta in 1983. (RAW, Fanta)
  6. Wins a Guggenheim Fellowship in April 2001. [1]

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Possible edit warring[edit]

I am seeing this page come up again and again and I am concerned there may be some edit warring going on. I don't know enough about this man to comment but I think it'd be best if people discussed it here.

Given the WP:BLP implications and that the paragraph seems to be WP:SYNTH I am going to remove it. It is only my provisional view but best to err on the side of caution.

I am tagging the people I have seen reverting. @Discospinster, @72.65.235.209, @120.17.47.84, @MarchWildspring, @68.13.183.61. Jtrrs0 (talk) 18:08, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

from approved edits in talk section of Wikipedia page for Oct 7th:
” On 4 December, Haaretz reported that "unverified stories [had been] disseminated by Israeli search and rescue groups, army officers and even Sara Netanyahu".[1][2] Haaretz journalists Nir Hasson and Liza Rozovsky related the chronology of the news items about "beheaded babies" and "hung babies" and concluded, "this story is false".[1] They quoted Ishay Coen, a journalist for the ultra-Orthodox website Kikar Hashabbat, who admitted he made a mistake by unquestioningly accepting the IDF's claims.[1] "Why would an army officer invent such a horrifying story?", Hashabbat asked, adding, "I was wrong."[1] Haaretz also reported that some testimony came from reservist officers.[1] Haaretz further reported that "according to sources including Israel's National Insurance Institute, kibbutz leaders and the police", one baby was killed on October 7th, and she was killed with her father in Kibbutz Be'eri.[1] Al-Jazeera reported that the claims of babies being beheaded and were killed en masse were false.[3]”
therefore placing this accusation in Joe Sacco’s biography section does not match with edits occurring on other pages about October 7th and is not relevant to his personal biography 72.65.235.209 (talk) 18:20, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, those sources are in the Wikipedia page for the 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel, but so was the source from The Jerusalem Post cited in the previous edit. While the claim of "40 beheaded babies" that was widely repeated following October 7th was not true in regard to quantity (which is what the Al-Jazeera source seems to be concluding), the statements from Chen Kugel of the Abu Kabir Forensic Institute confirmed that infants with missing heads were recovered. MarchWildspring (talk) 03:14, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Respectfully, I think you're both missing the point. The question here is not the truth of what happened on Oct 7, but whether there are reliable sources that claim Joe Sacco's cartoon denies what happened. Merely saying this is what his cartoon says and the claim is true is inappropriate synthesis of sources, particularly for a living BLP. Given the potentially libellous allegations I will again remove it. I am happy to be corrected if there are sources that we could use. Jtrrs0 (talk) 15:35, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ a b c d e f "Hamas Committed Documented Atrocities. But a Few False Stories Feed the Deniers". Haaretz. 2023-12-04. Retrieved 2023-12-04.
  2. ^ "Israeli personnel gave false information about 7 October attack crimes – report". Middle East Eye. Retrieved 2023-12-08.
  3. ^ Unit, Al Jazeera Investigative (March 21, 2024). "October 7: Forensic analysis shows Hamas abuses, many false Israeli claims". Al Jazeera. Retrieved March 21, 2024.
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