Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Croat Catholic Ustashi clergy
- From the vfd page: irrelevant to the discussion.
- c) I removed your stating something about someone which at the very least was insulting. Pfortuny 09:51, 17 Apr 2004 (UTC)
- c) I have returned it. It's a provable fact and it's not insulting, it's not like he's hiding that. Nikola02:07, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)
- User Nikola, i demand an apology, I am not an Ustasha, i m just devoted to my country and my compatriots, and I can't just stand idly while this kind of propaganda nonsense is being written. Trash based on lies and slander, propaganda that incites hate. Thease same methods of inciting hate are being used just by the Serbian far right, convicted war criminals. So according to you being a Croat automatically makes one an Ustasha? Nikola, did i ever call you a Chetnik? How would you feel if I called you one? Nikola, WW2 was 50 years ago, get over it, there are no more Ustasha’s, although the same can’t be said about Chetniks, as 8.000 victims of 1995 Srebrenica massacre can attest to. War crimes happed because of hate, and what Igor writes is the worst of the Serbian ultra nationalist hate-mongering. GeneralPatton
- I retract what I have said, you might not be an Ustasha but merely someone who behaves like an Ustasha. If you are not an Ustasha, why have you signed your message to Igor [1] with ZDS, TLA of Ustashe "greeting" Za dom - Spremni!" [2]? Someone who signs his messages with HH or 88 is usually assumed of being a Nazi [http://www.stormfront.org/crusader/texts/whatis88.html], so I have assumed the equivalent. Apparently, there are still Ustashas, it is not known to me that any Chetnik unit was ivolved in capture of Srebrenica, and I have never signed my message with "hey Chetniks, cut some salad" so it's not surprising that noone called me a Chetnik. Nikola05:21, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)
- Za Dom Spremni isn't an "Ustasha greeting", it's really a motto, it was used by Ban Jelacic in the 19th century, ever since then it's been a Croat motto, i just wanted to show Igor that he won't get away with this kind of stuff. Comparing it with Heil Hitler is not just silly, it’s crooked, and what is TLA?. By the way, that whole Ustasha article is heavily biased, in no small part because of your contributions, while the article on chetniks, also in no small part because of your contributions, shows them as some kind of "good guys", not murderous thugs that they where infamous for being. Nikola, and in Srebrenica and around it there where a lot of Chetnik units, not WW2 chentinks, but the chetnik followers of Vojislav Seselj. You can see it all in the files of the Hague war crimes tribunal. Nikola, really, is there anything hate mongering among my contributions, take a look. Would an Ustasha write about the Soviet space program? Or use the nick GeneralPatton ? GeneralPatton
- These are all lies. Za Dom Spremni is an Ustasha greeting, and you used it in that context, it was used in ISC in the same manner as Sieg - Heil in Nazi Germany, articles on Ustashas and Chetniks are quite neutral, I have contributed very little to Chetniks article, and, yes, there is no reason an Ustasha today couldn't like Patton or Soviet space program. Nikola07:49, 19 Apr 2004 (UTC)
- Take this argument about who can hold a grudge better to your user pages. VFD is not the place for it. -- Cyrius|✎ 06:17, Apr 18, 2004 (UTC)
- These are all lies. Za Dom Spremni is an Ustasha greeting, and you used it in that context, it was used in ISC in the same manner as Sieg - Heil in Nazi Germany, articles on Ustashas and Chetniks are quite neutral, I have contributed very little to Chetniks article, and, yes, there is no reason an Ustasha today couldn't like Patton or Soviet space program. Nikola
- Za Dom Spremni isn't an "Ustasha greeting", it's really a motto, it was used by Ban Jelacic in the 19th century, ever since then it's been a Croat motto, i just wanted to show Igor that he won't get away with this kind of stuff. Comparing it with Heil Hitler is not just silly, it’s crooked, and what is TLA?. By the way, that whole Ustasha article is heavily biased, in no small part because of your contributions, while the article on chetniks, also in no small part because of your contributions, shows them as some kind of "good guys", not murderous thugs that they where infamous for being. Nikola, and in Srebrenica and around it there where a lot of Chetnik units, not WW2 chentinks, but the chetnik followers of Vojislav Seselj. You can see it all in the files of the Hague war crimes tribunal. Nikola, really, is there anything hate mongering among my contributions, take a look. Would an Ustasha write about the Soviet space program? Or use the nick GeneralPatton ? GeneralPatton
- I retract what I have said, you might not be an Ustasha but merely someone who behaves like an Ustasha. If you are not an Ustasha, why have you signed your message to Igor [1] with ZDS, TLA of Ustashe "greeting" Za dom - Spremni!" [2]? Someone who signs his messages with HH or 88 is usually assumed of being a Nazi [http://www.stormfront.org/crusader/texts/whatis88.html], so I have assumed the equivalent. Apparently, there are still Ustashas, it is not known to me that any Chetnik unit was ivolved in capture of Srebrenica, and I have never signed my message with "hey Chetniks, cut some salad" so it's not surprising that noone called me a Chetnik. Nikola
- User Nikola, i demand an apology, I am not an Ustasha, i m just devoted to my country and my compatriots, and I can't just stand idly while this kind of propaganda nonsense is being written. Trash based on lies and slander, propaganda that incites hate. Thease same methods of inciting hate are being used just by the Serbian far right, convicted war criminals. So according to you being a Croat automatically makes one an Ustasha? Nikola, did i ever call you a Chetnik? How would you feel if I called you one? Nikola, WW2 was 50 years ago, get over it, there are no more Ustasha’s, although the same can’t be said about Chetniks, as 8.000 victims of 1995 Srebrenica massacre can attest to. War crimes happed because of hate, and what Igor writes is the worst of the Serbian ultra nationalist hate-mongering. GeneralPatton
- c) I have returned it. It's a provable fact and it's not insulting, it's not like he's hiding that. Nikola
- c) I removed your stating something about someone which at the very least was insulting. Pfortuny 09:51, 17 Apr 2004 (UTC)
And please do not add garbage. If you want to discuss about someone or something do it personally, please. And if you want to complain to me, do it at my talk page. Thanks. Pfortuny 08:09, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)
- It is a fact that user Igor has in a sense been vandalizing for a while all pages concerning Croatia and Croatians, not just inserting his POV, he also does the same thing on pages about Bosnia and Bosniaks. On his talk page he’s now sworn to me that he’ll follow me around and revert all my edits. The guy has problems, he’s a major problem maker with his own shady agenda. He’s acting like he’s on some God given mission to give wikipedia a Serbian radical POV. To sum it up, he’s trolling and spreading hate. And in addition he’s trying to intimidate users who don’t share his radical, revisionist worldview. --GeneralPatton 23:30, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)
- Another lie by you, he just said "now in spite I'll go after you and correct everything" (emphasis mine). Can't blame him after your ZDS... Nikola07:44, 19 Apr 2004 (UTC)
- What he said was pretty much “don’t play with big boys (as in he is one), to show you im a rough guy, I’ll go after you and revert all your stuff”, but the fact is he’s acting like a high school bully, of course he knows most of the people here don’t know the language, you can translate it in any manner you want, and completely distort the truth by your translation, the same methods are by the way being used by the British revisionist historian David Irving who by tinkering with the translations is trying to downplay the Holocaust. And Nikola, please stop labeling, im not calling you nor your friend names, so please try to be mature. And also, what are these other lies of mine? And please, don't provocate any more. --GeneralPatton 12:26, 19 Apr 2004 (UTC)
- No he didn't, you lie again. There are more people here who know Serbian, don't worry. Nikola21:01, 19 Apr 2004 (UTC)
- No he didn't, you lie again. There are more people here who know Serbian, don't worry. Nikola
- What he said was pretty much “don’t play with big boys (as in he is one), to show you im a rough guy, I’ll go after you and revert all your stuff”, but the fact is he’s acting like a high school bully, of course he knows most of the people here don’t know the language, you can translate it in any manner you want, and completely distort the truth by your translation, the same methods are by the way being used by the British revisionist historian David Irving who by tinkering with the translations is trying to downplay the Holocaust. And Nikola, please stop labeling, im not calling you nor your friend names, so please try to be mature. And also, what are these other lies of mine? And please, don't provocate any more. --GeneralPatton 12:26, 19 Apr 2004 (UTC)
- Another lie by you, he just said "now in spite I'll go after you and correct everything" (emphasis mine). Can't blame him after your ZDS... Nikola
Nicola, are you his advocate or something?--209.210.176.33 11:13, 19 Apr 2004 (UTC)