Talk:1st Dalai Lama

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Rating changed to "Start"[edit]

I have changed the ratings to start level because the article, though short, is properly referenced, is illustrated and seems to me to handle the subject matter fairly and well. If anyone disagrees with this assessment please leave a note for me here. John Hill (talk) 22:52, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Some small changes[edit]

"His birth name was Pema Dorje, which means Vajra Lotus. He was religious since childhood. At fourteen years of age, he became a novice monk. He received the name Gendun Drubpa upon taking the vows of a fully ordained monk (gelong) from the abbot of Narthang monastery.", taken from [1].

Austerlitz -- 88.72.13.89 (talk) 12:41, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Austerlitz -- 88.72.13.89 (talk) 23:04, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Title[edit]

Panchen Gedun Drup's third reincarnation, Sonam Gyatso, was invited to the Mongol Court of Altan Khan who first conferred the title of "Talai (Dalai) Lama" on him. The title was applied retrospectively to his two previous incarnations, making him the Third Dalai Lama. Thus began the line of the Dalai Lamas."

"Tashilhunpo Monastery was established in 1447 by Panchen Gedun Drup, retrospectively known as the First Dalai Lama. Successive abbots of Tashilhunpo monastery were given the title "Panchen" because of their scholarship."

"From 1350, Tibet was ruled by the princes of Phagmodru and then, from about 1481, by the Rinpung dynasty. In 1406, the ruling Phagmodru prince, Dakpa Gyaltsen, turned down the Imperial invitation to him to visit China. This clearly shows the sovereign authority of Tibetan rulers at that time."

I don't know why he is given the title Panchen here. It seems to me that Gendun Gyatso and Sonam Gyatso have been considered to be personal reincarnations of Gedun Drup. But: what (Tulku) person?

Austerlitz -- 88.72.13.89 (talk) 22:24, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Paṇ-chen is a term which means "great scholar". This source says that the title Panchen was a title given to the abbots of Tashilhünpo. This is before the Panchen tülku lineage developed. Since the first Dalai Lama was the founding abbot of Tashilhünpo, he was known as Panchen. Later, that tülku lineage's labrang came to possess Tashilhünpo, so they were then known as Panchens. Thus, there have been two different tülku lineages which have held the office of Tashilhüunpo throneholder at different times. I don't think the current abbots of Tashilhünpo are called Panchen, I suppose because they are not "abbots" in the same sense of the word. We might make a distinction between the "throneholder", who is still the Panchen Lama, and the "managing abbot", who is some other monk (e.g. Chadrel Rinpoche back in the 1990s).—Nat Krause(Talk!·What have I done?) 00:52, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, though I have not been able to understand your words until now.
Austerlitz -- 88.75.208.85 (talk) 10:56, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Fifth Dalai lama, Ngawang Lobsang, recognized his teacher Lobsang Choekyi Gyaltsen as the Panchen (Great Scholar) Lama of Tashilhunpo Monastery (Bkra-shis Lhung-po) in Shigatse (Gzhis-ka rtse). With this appointment, Lobsang Choekyi Gyaltsen's three previous incarnations were posthumously recognised as Panchen Lamas. (taken from wikisite Panchen Lama) -- 88.75.200.76 (talk) 23:18, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Another teacher[edit]

  • Bodong.info "Bodong Panchen Chogley Namgyal was one of the teachers of the first Dalai Lama, Gyedun Drup, who received many teachings and empowerments from him. It was because of Gyedun Drup’s outstanding answers to questions on Buddhist philosophy that Bodong Panchen Chogley Namgyal conferred the title ‘Tham-che Khyen-pa’ (Omniscient One) on him. This title has been carried by all of the Dalai Lamas."
Austerlitz -- 88.75.208.85 (talk) 10:56, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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