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Former good articleNo Doubt was one of the Music good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
Article milestones
DateProcessResult
January 21, 2007Good article nomineeListed
January 28, 2007Peer reviewReviewed
February 17, 2010Good article reassessmentDelisted
Current status: Delisted good article

Written[edit]

The whole reputation section is very poorly written, and seems to speak for the whole fan community. I actually disagree with all comments within, but have refrained from deleting it. Someone please advise! -- RussellC

Why do you delete "Their songs are in English"? Every artcile about some artist should state where are they, who are they, and what language they speak. -- Taku 00:56 Jan 11, 2003 (UTC)

Agreed. Though if we say "they are from the USA", it's safe to assume they sing in English. -- Tarquin 10:40 Jan 11, 2003 (UTC)

If we say, they are from the USA, it is good enough to assume about their language. -- Taku 17:20 Jan 11, 2003 (UTC)

Why not create a seperate artical for the awards? I was thinking of doing this for the tons of trivia on Gwen's page... It's simply too much info to be slapped into the artical, and it makes it look more like a grocery list than an artical suitable for the Wikipedia.

ALBUMS SALES[edit]

From Ask Billboard:

Tragic Kingdom - 10,000,000

Return of Saturn - 1,600,000

Rock Steady - 2,800,000

The Singles 1992-2003 - 2,200,000


http://www.billboard.com/bb/ask/index.jsp

Awards for Appearances[edit]

Is it really appropreate to list these? They are Gwen's, not the whole bands, and I feel that it is really un-need to list HER awards on this page; let her stuff stay on her own artical. If no one can justify them being on here, I will remove them. Thx.

Members[edit]

I see the latest revision to the article says that Gabrial McNair and Stephen Bradley are members of No Doubt's touring band. Do you think there's any justification for including them as regular band members, seeing as they have recorded on every No Doubt album since Tragic Kingdom in 1995, and No Doubt's official website even refers to 'our very own Gabrial McNair' in an article about Oslo? Terrafire 18:41, 6 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]


They aren't how shall I put it part - part of the band. They aren't on the official No Doubt band page. But they help out a lot. They're supporting band members. :) I think they should have a mention for their contribution to the band but not as regular band members. Missemmat 21:09, 27 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

On the current page, it says that Eric Stefani left the band before recording Tragic Kingdom. This is not true. His keyboards are on the album, he is credited, and he is in all of the band photos in the CD packaging. I believe he left the band when they started getting hugely famous following the release of Tragic Kingdom.

Eric Stefani left before they were finished recording Tragic Kingdom, but did complete recording on the album. He left for a variety of reason from Gwen playing a bigger role in what he thought was "his" band to forseeing greater popularity and being a shy person. At least that was my understanding. But when he left is true. Actually, it's really hard to get a factual statement on this-- some sources will say after it was completed, others will say before. -catgirl667

Genre[edit]

How should No Doubt be classified in the intro? Here's how I would think No Doubt's albums would be classified:

  • No Doubt: ska and pop with some New Wave
  • The Beacon Street Collection: ska and pop/rock
  • Tragic Kingdom: ska, pop, and rock
  • Return of Saturn: rock with New Wave and some pop
  • Rock Steady: dancehall and ragga with pop/rock and some ska
  • Everything In Time: varied because it was a compilation album

No Doubt also did "Oi to the World" (punk rock with ska influence), "Monkey Man" with Toots & the Maytals (reggae and ska), "It's My Life" (pop/rock), and "DJ's" (reggae and ska).

It seems to me that the best way to classify No Doubt would be to introduce it as either ska/pop/rock or ska-punk and point out its influences in reggae and new wave. — ShadowHalo 03:31, 8 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Rock is pretty straightforward for the intro. Specific subgenres can be elaborated on later. Typing "ska/pop/rock" just looks messy, is potentially confusing to readers, and is slightly inaccurate. No Doubt is part of the Third wave ska movement, and draws influence from 2 Tone ska (particularly Madness); unlike the original ska, these are classified as rock genres, mainly because they rely on influence from punk rock. WesleyDodds 03:50, 8 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I do see what you mean about ska/pop/rock appearing messy, though I think rock is a tad too broad and doesn't carry enough meaning. I took a look at the pages for some other third-wave bands, and they were all listed as ska punk, ska-core, or third wave ska. So how about introducing No Doubt as ska punk (one phrase without any slash) and then mentioning its influence from pop, reggae, and new wave? — ShadowHalo 7:36, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
When first introducing a band in an article's lead section, the genre description should be as broad as possible to give those unfamiliar with music genres a frame of reference. For example, if you're looking up the Sex Pistols, introducing them as punk rock is fine, because they are classified simply as that one genre of rock. Same thing with introducing Iron Maiden as heavy metal. However, a band like The Cure fits into a number of genres/subgenres, so it's best to just introduce them as rock. I think No Doubt is a comparable case to The Cure. WesleyDodds 10:21, 9 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Ack, sorry about that last post. I think I was dozing off; anyway, I meant to say third wave ska instead of ska punk since calling it a third wave ska band categorizes the band and its influence on ska revival rather than its music so much since third wave ska ranges from swing to pop to punk rock and everything in between. — ShadowHalo 03:56, 11 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The timeline of Eric's departure is confusing. The way it's written, it seems like he left the band before they began recording Tragic Kingdom, which is incorrect, because he wrote most of the lyrics for that album. Didn't he leave the band between completion of the album and its release?

There is also very little mention of the problems associated with recording Tragic Kingdom, which almost led the band to break up on many occasions and which lasted much longer than any of the members wanted.

Why is Pop Rock listed first under Genre? This is an unintentional sexist way of downgrading them and separating them from the other great alternative Rock bands of their time simply because they have a female lead. They stack up just fine. It should be Punk, Alternative Rock and Ska as the first three.--Mapsfly (talk) 23:41, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Upcoming Album[edit]

Does anyone have a source for either Gwen's upcoming solo album (if it is going to be released) or No Doubt's upcoming album? The dates in this article regarding the albums are inconsistent. — ShadowHalo 07:48, 9 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I heard from a reliable source that her next album will be a ska influenced one again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.83.121.172 (talk) 17:08, August 24, 2007 (UTC)

Opening[edit]

I think the opening to this page is quite weak.

fix it then SOADLuver 02:36, 28 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Awards[edit]

That awards section has been annoying me for quite some time and it needs to die (by which I mean I'd like to organize it). Would it be appropriate to move each award to the article on that song/album and then organize the remaining awards on this page? —ShadowHalo 08:42, 10 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I moved the awards regarding songs and albums to the individual pages. If someone objects, feel free to revert so we can discuss the best way to organize the stuff. —ShadowHalo 12:01, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism[edit]

This article needs to be blocked from editing. Someone who doesn't like No Doubt is vandalizing it.HorseApples 03:08, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Cleanup Intro[edit]

I tried to condense the introduction to this article, but it was fully reverted. Mine might have been flawed, but as it stands it gets too needlessly specific about certain things that would be better left to the 'history' section. A couple of paragraphs summing up the band, their claim to fame, and their status is what's needed, and whats leftover can be folded into the rest of the article. --LeCorrector 06:49, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

To clarify, I didn't fully revert it. I added the part about diamond certification as well as the band's founding into the old lead. Considering that "the relative weight given to points in the lead should reflect the relative weight given to each in the remainder of the article" (see WP:LEAD), a description of the band's history seems appropriate in the lead. Also, the lead is supposed to duplicate information in the article, so rather than "folding over" information from the lead to the article, it should be the other way around. —ShadowHalo 08:13, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I removed the tag for lead length. Not just is the lead three paragraphs, which is completely normal for articles of this size, but it's currently very well-written, as it encompasses what the article is about. -- Kicking222 13:47, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Good Article status[edit]

I have reviewed this article and decided that it is worthy of Good Article status. The article addresses the band's activities and provides a compelling view of the band. Well done to all of you who have worked on getting the article up to the present good standard. Perhaps after the close of the peer review, somebody could nominate this for featured article status. It certainly isn't far off that now. Wikiwoohoo 22:18, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Really? It states in one place: "did not match the success of their previous but" Previous what? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.51.66.32 (talk) 08:30, 23 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Grunge & Third-Wave Ska[edit]

From just reading the start I noticed two things. 1) I know they didn't do well due to the popularity of grunge at the time in the early 90s, but isn't the article talking about 1986? I don't think grunge was mainstream then, but then I'm no expert. Beyond Nirvana and Hole I don't care, lol. 2) Third-Wave Ska... I knew what that was, but I bet most people don't. It might be better if you use a word that people understand straight away without clicking on the link, becuase all my friends and my mom (who are no Doubt fans, but not as big as me) were like, 'WHAT???'. They haven't even heard of ska, so they were majorly confused. I know that term is more correct,but still. Otherwise, the article is looking pretty great.80.43.26.174 16:19, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As far as the part about the popularity of grunge, that comes after the part where it states they released their debut album in '92. It doesn't mention anything about grunge until then. ShadowHalo 16:28, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, you were talking about the lead. I've reworded it; thanks for pointing that out. ShadowHalo 16:38, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I would also say that although they had their roots in third wave ska, they moved on, so "No Doubt is a third wave ska band from..." doesn't strike me as being true. Any thoughts? Ianbittiner 17:45, 14 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Third wave ska entails ska mixed with all sorts of genres, from Latin to hardcore punk to R&B. No Doubt didn't have as much ska in its later work, but it was still there to some degree, so third wave ska is a much simpler term then trying to account for everything. Plus, No Doubt's biggest impact was as one of the figureheads of the mid 90s ska revival. ShadowHalo 17:49, 14 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

singles[edit]

I noticed that in the "singles" section, there are two errors that I am not sure how to fix: 1) "Happy Now" may not have technically been released in the U.S., but it certainly did get airplay (at least in the socal area). Does anybody know if it was officially released in the U.S.? 2) "Bathwater" was most definitely released in the U.S., got lots of airplay, and I think I even remember a music video. I'll research and see if I can find a Billboard ranking. catgirl667

"Bathwater" never charted on the Hot 100. [1] ShadowHalo 22:50, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
that may be true, but there is a footnote indicating that "Bathwater" was only released in Australia. Why is that footnote there if the song was released in the US? catgirl667


can anyone list any third wave ska influences in their songs? I listen to third wave ska and I hear no third wave ska at all in their music.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.145.96.51 (talk) 03:53, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oringinal name of "Don't speak"[edit]

Does anyone remember the original name for the song "Don't speak"? I remember they performed the original version once for MTV of VH1. It was very happy and written pre-break up. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by RobertGary1 (talk • contribs) 23:32, 2 May 2007 (UTC).[reply]

it was still called dont speak, and the chorus was pretty much the same —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.200.188.213 (talk) 18:07, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

FA Status[edit]

Why it is not featured yet...its a beautiful article!!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 220.224.38.21 (talk) 14:30, 9 May 2007 (UTC).[reply]

It's not as comprehensive as it could be and probably wouldn't pass FAC. For examples, it doesn't do a good job of explaining the band's role in the third wave of ska, and the information about the sound of each album is somewhat lacking. ShadowHalo 16:26, 9 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Picture[edit]

It is not at all clear.Its very blurred and you cant make out the members.Especially the lead singer Gwen Stefani —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 220.224.35.235 (talk) 08:16, 15 May 2007 (UTC).[reply]

So far that's the only free picture we have of the four main members. If you can find a better free image, feel free to replace the one that's there. ShadowHalo 08:20, 15 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I can list inumerable number of articles of musicians in which the image of the band or artist are taken from internet.For Example Sophie Ellis Bextor.There are many more..like Akon.I will reserch and let u know more such artist pages.One more example is of Justin Timberlake,he is on Red carpet.Of course the person who has put up the image has not gone and got the photo clicked,right?it must be taken from a site.Then why we can't put up a picture of the band from the internet? User:Luxurious.gaurav

Image:Sophie3.gif is unsourced and can be deleted any day. The picture at Akon has now been deleted. Like the picture in this article, the one at Justin Timberlake is taken from Flickr and is freely licensed. WP:NONFREE only allows for a freely licensed image to be used in a situation like this. ShadowHalo 07:34, 16 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have put up a new picture taken from flikr.com.Type "No Doubt" in the image search bar on the site and then go on the 7th page of the results.This picture is there.In this picture,all the members are clearly seen. User: Luxurious.gaurav

It's very unlikely that the uploader is the copyright holder of that image. Also, it states "© All rights reserved" next to the image. ShadowHalo 18:24, 16 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oh,i am very sorry.Bu Have a look at the new Evanescence picture. User: Luxurious.gaurav

I uploaded a new picture of the full band, taken just yesterday by me. It's a lot more clear than the old picture, and it showcases the entire band, including Gabriel and Stephen.BrianTheMute (talk) 20:58, 2 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The new photo is great!! Lovin' it sick!!--Trevorrrj (talk) 13:49, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Irvine encore[edit]

I'm sorry but why was the latest band appearance made during Gwen's tour stop in Irvine, California removed under the reason "recentism"? It was a fairly big event considering that the band is preparing a new album. Was the source I provided not credible enough? Kiki 18:47, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

See Wikipedia:Recentism. "Wikipedians ought to carefully consider whether they are regurgitating media coverage of an issue, or actually adding information which will remain salient over time." It's nice to know this stuff, but it really doesn't belong in an encyclopedia article. In a year or two, nobody is going to care about individual performances that the band makes. ShadowHalo 18:50, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, alright then. Thanks for the link and reply. Kiki 19:39, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree. I think the Irvine show is very relevant. This article states that the band was on hiatus from 2004-2008, which is untrue, considering they played together on 2 nights in 2007. Also, everyone is saying that May 1st was No Doubt's first performance together in 5 years, which is also untrue. So, I think some sort of mention of the 2007 shows should be added.

No Doubt in the Simpsons[edit]

According to the Simpsons Season 7, Episode 21, Josh Weinstien, one of the executive producers mentioned that Eric Stefani illustrated No Doubt in the background of "Homerpalooza" at 11 minutes, 30 seconds.

I also remember that No Doubt was animated in King of the Hill. Does anyone remember this episode? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.161.235.12 (talk) 07:14:19, August 19, 2007 (UTC)

I've been told that the commentary actually states that it was either Eric Stefani or Eric Keyes, a friend of the band. The King of the Hill episode you're thinking of is "Kidney Boy and Hamster Girl: A Love Story". 17Drew 11:38, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If you agree a source listing ND as post-grunge and adult alternative is a bad source...[edit]

Please speak out here [2]. Lots of people are listing this site as a source for various articles, but time and time again it gives invalid information. Hoponpop69 18:12, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A larger conversation on this has opened up here.[3] Please weigh in to make sure wikipedia does not get filled with false information.Hoponpop69 03:48, 16 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Also known as[edit]

I've just changed it too "Apple Core". Eric Keyes posted on the official forum clarifying it as Apple Core not Apple Corps. [4]--Baker1000 (talk) 22:08, 8 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Then add it. --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 17:32, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Erm, I did. Someone changed it back, I've just changed it again.--Baker1000 (talk) 00:50, 23 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Small Prob with New Album[edit]

Nationmaster states that it will be released in 2009, but I found another source [5] (ctrl-f to find No Doubt) saying it will be released 2010. Is there a solution?--F-22 Raptor IV 23:59, 21 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Scratch that, I found an MTV source claiming they won't release new music in 2009.--F-22 Raptor IV 00:10, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well, they did release Stand and Deliver. I cannot find it in iTunes, but it is available when you purchase tickets. --Trevorrrj (talk) 12:24, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Article for No Doubts 2009 Reunion Tour?[edit]

Well, i was wondering if we should create an article for there reunion tour that currently happening. Any thoughts. Simple yes or no with an explanation will be fine.

Yes: Because it's a current tour thats happening. Also so we can have somewhere to put the tour dates and additional info instead of cramming everything in one paragraph on the No Doubt article. --1234Sticky (talk) 10:28, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

GA Reassessment[edit]

This discussion is transcluded from Talk:No Doubt/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the reassessment.

As part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles' Project quality task force ("GA Sweeps"), all old good articles are being re-reviewed to ensure that they meet current good article criteria (as detailed at WP:WIAGA.) I have determined that this article needs some work to meet current criteria, outlined below:

  • The lead does not adequately summarize the entire article (WP:LEAD). It goes into too much depth in the band's release history, while not fully explaining their member makeup or general style. It should be more generalized.
  • Each trailing sentence of a paragraph should have a citation to explain where the information is coming for; there are many of these apparently unverified statements.
  • Also, a paragraph by definition requires at least three complete sentences. Groupings in the article like "Eric Stefani and his sister Gwen formed a band called Apple Core in 1986[2]. Eric taught himself to play accordion and played for the band with Gwen singing back up." (also, references should come after punctuation, like statement.[1] rather than this[2].)
  • The referencing appears reliable, but many of the links are dead (or are redirects to the main page, e.g. [6]). Try archive.org or find another reliable source.
  • There are {{cn}} tags and obviously unsourced statements that need to be verified, and the entire article needs some updating; what's the band doing in 2010? (There's a tag or two as well.)
  • There are many nonfree audio samples in the article: File:TrappedInABox.ogg, File:DontSpeak.ogg, File:New.ogg, File:UnderneathItAll.ogg, File:ItsMyLifeNoDoubt.ogg. Some of these have pretty weak rationales for inclusion per WP:NFCC. Remember that we need a significant level of critical commentary and discussion about the individual songs, but to me they appear much more like decoration and general comments on the album.

There might be a few more comments, but this is the majority. It's pretty good overall, just needs some polish and upkeep. I am putting the article on hold for a week, longer if significant progress is being made. Please keep me updated and appraised on this page. Thanks, Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(talk) 18:10, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

As no progress has been made on the above, I am delisting the article. It may be renominated at any time, but I encourage nominators address the above issues. If you have questions, please go to my talk page. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(talk) 18:39, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

1997 Christmas album not mentioned[edit]

From the Vandals article: "The Vandals maintained a close friendship with fellow Orange County band No Doubt, who covered the album's title track "Oi to the World" for a Christmas compilation in 1997. Their version, which was produced by Vandals guitarist Warren Fitzgerald, received mainstream exposure and popularity and spawned a music video. Partly thanks to the exposure brought by association with No Doubt (with whom the Vandals also toured), fan interest in Oi to the World! increased and in 2000 Kung Fu Records, which by now had grown in size, re-released the album with new artwork and a bonus overture, as well as a new intro for the title track."

Anyone have any other info on this? It's not in the discography article, either. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.64.111.153 (talk) 12:27, 11 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Gwen Stefani Harajuku Girls Tour Photo[edit]

I know that Gwen Stefani runs a solo career from time to time but I think that the Harajuku Girls tour photo is completely unrelated to the No Doubt article. I suggest the pic to be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Travsam (talk • contribs) 15:49, 23 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Associated Acts[edit]

How is the band associated to Starpool, Shirley Manson, Garbage and 311? Jonathanmjefferies (talk) 14:20, 3 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Gabriel Gonzalez[edit]

For some odd reason, my name keeps getting misspelled. I will correct the spelling, but then somebody keeps going in and edits the incorrect spelling of my name. I am the co-founder of this band, so please contact a current member and they will verify that my name is Gabriel Gonzalez with a "z", not an "s". Thank You Gabriel The Gun (talk) 16:26, 24 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Too many former members, anyone else agree?[edit]

Gabrial McNair and Stephen Bradley are the only members listed as Touring/Session. However, I believe many of the proclaimed Former Members should be listed as Touring/Session as well.

My main source for this are No Doubt's first three albums. In all three albums, it is clearly stated that the official band members are Gwen Stefani, Eric Stefani, Adrian Young, Tony Kanal, and Tom Dumont (and the pictures only shows those five members). As such, I believe that the other members from those time periods should be listed as Touring/Session (Gerald Boisse, Eric Carpenter, Alex Henderson, Phil Jordan, Don Hammerstedt, and Paul Caseley).

However, things get a bit blurry for the founding members. In my opinion, the following individuals should be kept as Former Members and not Touring/Session because they were all a part of the first lineup, albeit prior to the studio albums' recordings (which clarified who the official members were): John Spence, Jerry McMahon, Chris Leal, Chris Webb, Alan Meade, Gabriel Gonzalez, and Tony Meade.

Does anyone else agree with these assessments? Xanarki (talk) 22:25, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  1. ^ meep
  2. ^ meh
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