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Fish[edit]

153 Fish?

The 153 fish mentioned in John 21:11 in the New Testament of the KJV Bible has intrigued me for years. Since I can’t reference all the sources of what compiled over the years, maybe I can share what I have found in an informal way.  I believe most of what I have found is verifiable on its own, by doing some simple math.

The addition of all the numbers from 1 to 17 (1 + 2 + 3 + 4, etc. including 17) is equal to 153. This mysterious result is also the product of 9 x 17. If we add the individual digits (1 + 5 + 3) we end up with 9. If we add the cube of each of the individual digits (1 x 1 x 1) + (5 x 5 x 5) + (3 x 3 x 3), the result is 1 plus 125 plus 27 or 153.

17 seems to be an important number to The Author of the 66 books of the Bible.

To start with, in Genesis 7:11 the deluge began on the 17th day of the month in the record of the flood.  In Genesis 8:4, we are told, the Ark rested also on the 17th day of the month. 

In Genesis 37:2 Joseph enters the limelight, so to speak at the age of 17.

In Genesis 47:48 we learn that Jacob lived in the land of Egypt for 17 years

In the most well known Psalm in the Bible—Psalm 23, there are 17 pronouns in the six verses, penned by King David.

It has been said by Bible Scholars that there are 17 things that Christ accomplished for mankind on the Cross, such as Redemption, Forgiveness, Propitiation, Substitution, Justification, Reconciliation, etc.

In the N.T. in three of the verses in Romans 8:35-39 there are 17 things listed that can’t separate us from “The Love of Christ.”

Aramaic Segment In the telling of the story of the catching of the fish in Aramaic, in John 21, there are found 153 vocabulary words

153 personal blessings segment We discover something quite interesting about the number 153 when we look at how many people, in the Gospel accounts, Jesus personally blessed.

The book of Mark records Christ, on three occasions, personally blessed three people. These events were the healing of a man with an unclean spirit (Mark 1:23), healing a man who was deaf (Mark 7:32) and making whole another who was blind (Mark 8:22).

Matthew, however, writes that on 23 occasions Jesus blessed a total of 47 people. Some of those whom he blessed included a leper (Matthew 8:2), a non-Israelite woman and her daughter (Matthew 15:22), Mary Magdalene (Matthew 27:56) and Joseph of Arimathaea (Matthew 27:57).

Luke writes that on 14 occasions 94 people were blessed. They include the seventy disciples sent out to preach and heal (Luke 10:1), ten lepers cleansed at the same time (Luke 17:12) and Zaccheus (Luke 19:2).

Lastly, the apostle John bears record of eight incidents where nine people were helped by Jesus. Nicodemus (John 3:1), the woman accused of adultery (John 8:11) and Lazarus (John 11) are among those personally touched by the Savior of mankind. All told, the Lord directly blessed one hundred fifty three people in forty-eight separate incidents!

References on 153 Blessings segment 

Number in Scripture: Its Supernatural

Design and Spiritual Significance

Some information on the

meaning of the number 153 derived from

Holy Bible Faithful Version (HBFV)

E. R. Finck's The Seal of God in Creation and the Word

https://webfiles.acu.edu/departments/Library/HR/restmov_nov11/www.mun.ca/rels/restmov/texts/efinck/GODSEAL.HTM

In the above book that can be referenced and or read at the link, the total number of 17 is significant in 40 lists of 7 in the book of Revelation and many lists of 10.

In the last third of the above book, it demonstrates a verifiable way for you to do your own math and test the veracity of every statement documented by a lifetime of research on the subject of Bible Numerology. The book contains comments by the Nobel Prize authorities of that day concerning the findings of the original author of the book, E.R. Finck, only available in Australia, until recently.

Compiler: P.Thomas Sarlo (Tetelisti) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tetelisti (talk • contribs) 05:30, 2022 November 30 (UTC)

Plural of fish[edit]

the number of fishes - what is the correct plural form of fish here (as a plurality of indvidual animals, not just a net full of fish)? Kosebamse 13:33, 22 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Question[edit]

can someone explain how 100, 28 and 25 represent squares, triangles and circles, please? that doesn't make sense to me. Archtemplar 08:20, 19 December 2005 (UTC)Archtemplar[reply]

Wikilinks now make this clear. -- Radagast3 (talk) 23:14, 3 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

RfC[edit]

Centralized discussion on this article is taking place at Talk:Miraculous Draught of Fish#RfC: Merge or keep separate? Please comment.

This RfC seems to have expired, although comment could still be helpful. -- Radagast3 (talk) 01:27, 4 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Pythagoras[edit]

Interesting that someone has gone to the trouble of removing all references to Pythagoras from the 'Draught of Fishes' page and the 153 (number page). Also, all references to the number 153 as part of a ratio commonly attributed to Pythagoras, and the pythagorean draught of fishes story, referenced by classical authors, have been removed from the Pythagoras page. So it wasn't enough to remove references to the supposed parallels from the pages. The Pythagorean story, and all references to it have been deleted by enthusiastic Christians. Is this the modern version of book and album burning? Who says Christians aren't contemporary? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.21.238.14 (talk) 14:42, 3 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There is indeed a Pythagorean fish story -- or rather, multiple different stories (see this book). However, they do not involve the number 153 in any way, so do not really belong in an article on the number 153. The number 153 as part of a ratio called "measure of the fish" by Pythagoras and/or Archimedes would certainly belong, if there was reliable evidence of it being true, which it does not seem to be. It gets no mention in Heath's History of Greek Mathematics, and perusal of the works of Archimedes merely finds a proof that:
which doesn't really highlight 153 enough to mention here. -- Radagast3 (talk) 21:46, 3 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There do seem to be a lot of poorly referenced (and probably false) stories about 153 in the fringe literature. As a general guideline:

A claim like... is a statement about... and a reliable reference would be...
Plato was once attacked by 153 frogs Biography A reliable biography of Plato (with page number)
Plato wrote that the number 153 represents a frog Writings of Plato A specific reference to which book by Plato (with section number), and a link to an online version
Greek mathematicians believed that the number 153 represented a frog History of Mathematics A reliable book on Greek mathematics, such as Heath's (with page number)

-- Radagast3 (talk) 10:36, 15 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I was puzzled myself when I first read the story, but I now see that I didn't read it properly. The claim I read was (I learnt later) quoted from The Jesus Mysteries. Was The Original Jesus A Pagan God by Timothy Freke and Peter Gandy. However, there is nowhere any mentioning of Pythaogras predicting 153 fish. It is simply assumed: "Pythagoras miraculously predicted the exact number of fish that would be caught, but the story does not record what this number was. [...] It is likely that the number of fish that Pythagoras predicted would be caught was precisely 153. The Pythagoreans were renowned for their knowledge of mathematics and regarded 153 as a sacred number." So no-one needs to lose sleep over this book at least. --Strappado (talk) 15:23, 29 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Truncated triangular number[edit]

The note that 153 is a truncated triangular number got my attention. This is true, and though I've never heard of the concept before, I was able to list all the truncated triangular numbers quite quickly, just doing my arithmetic on paper. The math is not very hard. The complete list is: 1, 3, 6, 10, 15, 36, 66, 105, 153, and 666.

So this leads me to ask a few questions:

  • Where did the concept come from? If I wanted to add a citation, where would I start to research this?
  • Why is the wording so cagy, in talking about 6 known TTNs? It is easy to list 9, and to prove that the list is complete; surely the primary source knows this.
  • Is the concept actually an important fact about 153? The articles about 105 and 666 do not mention this property, and the OEIS doesn't have the sequence.

ACW (talk) 00:07, 1 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

-QUESTION: How did you calculate your list? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.24.78.115 (talk) 15:40, 2013 July 1 (UTC)

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Driveby comment[edit]

The sum total of 153 is 9. Which is identified by a number of mythologies as a sacred number of knowledge. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.67.30.98 (talk) 07:56, 21 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

So what? -- 202.124.74.66 (talk) 10:15, 16 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

tetragrammaton occurrences in Genesis[edit]

By my count, and by Tetragrammaton, the Tetragrammaton occurs 165 times, and not 153 as mentioned here. Imanuel o (talk) 13:11, 2 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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