Talk:Arnaut de Mareuil

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Sirventes and Planh are technical troubadour terms. Should they be wikified in case of an article being written? See definitions at http://cunnan.sca.org.au/wiki/Sirventes and http://cunnan.sca.org.au/wiki/Planh (which is really a dicdef). David Brooks 01:04, 13 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I know the last paragraph ("surpasses him") is somewhat PoV, but it's what I got from EB1911. David Brooks 18:08, 13 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

PoV? and other doubts[edit]

The problem isn't so much that the paragraph is PoV, but that virtually any contemporary (not to mention mediaeval) Provençalist would disagree, not to mention be rather puzzled; the EB citation was probably by a zealous Mareuil scholar, and those tend to be rather biased. Some modern scholars actually see this Arnaut merely as an imitator of his more famous homonym. My advice is, defnitely, to expunge it.

Also, the first amatory epistle, unless Pattison is greatly mistaken, is Donna, cel qe·us es bos amics, by Raimbaut of Orange.

Complainer 00:09, 20 April 2006 (UTC)complainer[reply]

I took this out: "As that princess died in 1199, and as no planh (funeral lament) to her memory is found among the works of Arnaut de Mareuil, it is conjectured that by that time he was already dead." It doesn't follow, because, if the story about Arnaut and Azalais is accepted at all, it tells us that she ordered him to write no more songs about her. Andrew Dalby 16:23, 12 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]