User talk:Trlovejoy

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In light of Bbb23's comment, I removed your one-month trial NPP flag. Seven WP:A7 nominations for articles which are not new indicate the need for a better understanding of CSD, and it seemed odd to archive that thread so quickly. Miniapolis 13:44, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

@Miniapolis: I thought it was odd, too. Looks like you forgot to remove the NPP right.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:59, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Just did . Miniapolis 15:56, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

@Miniapolis request your insight on my comment below.

I am always disappointed for a community built on the WP:AGF principles, and how quickly they are abandoned. This talk dialogue is helpful in correcting behaviors others have deemed inappropriate. Quick removal of NPP isn't helpful in the context of larger contributions to improvements of this community. I'd request you reconsider your determination. TRL (talk) 16:27, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

I just found what you wanted me to comment on, which frankly reads like it was written with WP:AI. I assumed good faith with the NPP trial, but you don't seem to understand WP:CSD well enough yet. User rights are not entitlements; they're given if their use will create less work for other editors, not more. You've received advice from me and Bbb23, and I'm done here as well. Miniapolis 19:05, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback - really helpful to know that my text does not read as human generated. I'll incorporate that into my contributions in the future. All the best. TRL (talk) 19:18, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks @Miniapolis and @Bbb23 for the feedback. It would appear the definition of "new" is created recently? The articles I tagged were in the new pages feed for review. I had asked for the NPP in an effort to contribute to the May backlog drive. I am attempting to assist in that process.

@Bbb23, would you kindly clarify what your rejection of the A7 nomination was based on? "new" article? I tagged articles that I believed did not claim significance or importance. I appreciate your help.

Sorry if I startled anyone for the archival, this was meant in alignment with archival instructions. "Removal of content from your user talk page, such as warnings posted by others, is considered evidence you have seen the content; this is true whether the removal was manual or automatic." TRL (talk) 15:30, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm not here to mentor you. If you have a question about a specific A7 decline, I will try to answer it. I will say that in my experience patrolling CSD, it is far more common for newly-created pages to be tagged than old ones, and if I were a new reviewer, I would go for the easiest ones first. As for archiving, it is best to set up automated archiving. Your basis for archival is not ideal.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:04, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello - I'm sorry I was not intending to ask you for mentorship, rather to provide justification and clarification for your five A7 declines. To be specific please provide your clarification for: Noe Baba, Henry G. Roe, and Alyssa Baron.

As for archiving, it might be best to reivew the instructions - or the community to update their practices standards. Thanks for your help! TRL (talk) 16:23, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm not going to spend a lot of time on this, so looking at Noe Baba, the subject may not meet notability guidelines, but there are plenty of claims of significance that make an A7 inappropriate. As for archiving, there is nothing wrong with the instructions. Your quotation just means that the removal of warnings means you have read the warning, not that such a warning should be archived. And in this instance, it wasn't just a warning; I pinged another administrator, and rather than giving them a chance to respond, you archived my post about 30 minutes after I made it. Doesn't look good. If you have any more questions about archiving or NPP, please ask elsewhere. I'm done here.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:38, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

(←) Trlovejoy, A7 can be confusing and is often conflated with notability. It hinges on a claim of significance, which is different from notability; I think of the tag as appropriate for, say, an article about one's garage band or something similar. Although I'm a coordinator with the Guild of Copy Editors (which also has a backlog-reduction drive going on now), I have mixed feelings about these contests; they make it easy to focus on chasing barnstars and what-not, forgetting that the object of the game is – or should be – improving the encyclopedia. Have fun and all the best, Miniapolis 17:46, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the insight. I tend to agree with the somewhat contradictory effect of gamefying contributions. Comments from Bbb23 above regarding how time is spent, lends to the quick reaction force that resulted (in this case) in the removal of permissions to contribute to the community. What is the best path to return to NPP? TRL (talk) 19:02, 3 May 2024 (UTC)