Talk:City of Milton Keynes

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Milton Keynes is a Unitary Authority, not a county. Unless anyone can provide a citation for where Milton Keynes has been officially declared as a county I'll vote for this page to be moved, or deleted. Graham 01:24 (UTC) 24 Nov 2003

Your citation is right there in the article. SI 1995/1769. It is also known as the Buckinghamshire (Borough of Milton Keynes) (Structural Change) Order 1995, and is at http://www.hmso.gov.uk/si/si1995/Uksi_19951769_en_1.htm
You will note section 8, which I quote here for your convenience
Constitution of new county of Milton Keynes
8.—(1) Milton Keynes shall cease to form part of Buckinghamshire.
(2) A new county shall be constituted comprising the area of Milton Keynes and shall be named the county of Milton Keynes.
(3) Section 2(1) of the 1972 Act (which provides that every county shall have a council) shall not apply in relation to the county of Milton Keynes.
Thanks, Morwen 07:37, 24 Nov 2003 (UTC)
Many thanks. You learn something new every day. Graham 23:14 (UTC) 24 Nov 2003
I was also surprised that unitary authorities are now officialy counties. I personally think the new designation is very silly and very at odds with ordinary usage of the term 'county', but I suppose it's difficult to express any dissent from the legal position in the body of the article. - dan

Clean up[edit]

I've cleaned up this page so it conforms to other similar pages. David 13:18, 11 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Good work. Excised material was a load of axe-grinding guff. --Concrete Cowboy 17:07, 11 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Quick question[edit]

Where's the name come from? MrZaiustalk 20:44, 17 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

From the Norman Conquest. See Middleton, Milton Keynes.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was no move yet pending total consensus at Wikipedia talk:List of English districts to disambiguate —Mets501 (talk) 16:38, 4 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move[edit]

Milton Keynes (borough) → Borough of Milton Keynes — The current article name is seriously obscure. Every instance of it is a pipe ([[Milton Keynes (borough)|Borough of Milton Keynes]]) to the proposed target name. Doing so would follow the RtM already taken for Borough of Swindon. There is some prior discussion at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (places)#Counties of Britain. The form proposed is as used in all public documents: the current name is used nowhere outside Wikipedia. This RtM seems uncontroversial to me, but I realise that some people get very exercised about names!
Borough of Milton Keynes currently redirects to Milton Keynes (borough). The request is for this to be reversed. Concrete Cowboy 20:32, 28 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Survey[edit]

Add  * '''Support'''  or  * '''Oppose'''  on a new line followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion using ~~~~.

  • Support for the reasons given in the Request to Move. --Concrete Cowboy 20:33, 28 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion[edit]

Add any additional comments: Hold on. Check out the list at Wikipedia:List_of_English_districts_to_disambiguate#Done. As I can see, all the stuff needing disambiguation follows "brace convention", i.e. has (borough) or (district) at the end. If the consensus to change format and rename them all has been reached, please point to it and get them all for moving; if not, please seek for it... somewhere. Don't do this one by one. Duja► 20:12, 3 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This discussion continues at Wikipedia talk:List of English districts to disambiguate. The plan is to get them all moved. Hopefully, someone can write a bot. --Concrete Cowboy 12:48, 4 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Fair use rationale for Image:Arms-milton-k.jpg[edit]

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I have provided the requested rationale template and deleted the tag. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 14:04, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Population Data[edit]

"The 30-44 year olds in Milton Keynes Borough can be seen as the largest 10-year age group of the population with 35-39 year olds being the largest 5-year age group."

Erm, I maybe be wrong, but I don't think 30-44 represents ten years? I've tried opening the data source referenced but can't get it to open - can someone else try? Alternatively could the original editor clarify?ColourSarge (talk) 17:21, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like someone messed with the page. Also, the 2007/08 figs are out so I've updated the URL. Please review. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 12:27, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yep this looks good now, have also checked the source and agree with your conclusions. ColourSarge (talk) 18:39, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Names of articles describing villages in the Borough[edit]

Please contribute to the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK geography#Olney, Milton Keynes; Caversham, Reading; Wanborough, Swindon. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 20:39, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion has been settled. Result: use ceremonial counties for disambiguation of places, and in a geographic frame of reference, see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK geography#Olney, Milton Keynes; Caversham, Reading; Wanborough, Swindon. Mpvide65 (talk) 22:10, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Economy[edit]

What on earth does this garbage mean? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.154.192.91 (talk) 18:31, 27 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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template:Infobox English county about to run into the sand at Buckinghamshire[edit]

As of 1 April, Buckinghamshire County Council ceases to exist, being replaced by Buckinghamshire Council, a Unitary Authority. The ceremonial county of Buckinghamshire will thus have two UAs and no CC. The infobox for the ceremonial county (at present combined with the BCC information and minimal BoMK information) will cease to be valid. I tried to fix it but the effect was for a load of valid information about the BC area to disappear. So would editors contribute to Template talk:Infobox English county#Only one admin_hq allowed?, please? (The "Only one admin_hq allowed?" issue turns out to be just the tip of the iceberg). --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 15:47, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

County?[edit]

Per WP:BRD, I reverted an edit by DragonofBatley which removed cited content. The citation says clearly " A new county shall be constituted comprising the area of Milton Keynes and shall be named the county of Milton Keynes." If that did not actually happen, then a strong citation saying so (and why) is essential in support. Editor analysis is not a substitute. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 08:40, 25 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

2021 census: preliminary data release from ONS[edit]

The ONS has released preliminary "rounded" figures for the Borough (only): see Population and household estimates, England and Wales: Census 2021. The 'estimated population" section of the infobox will soon be updated automatically. In the meantime, the figures are these: all: 287,000; females: 145,500; males: 141,600, which means an overall increase of about 38,000 in ten years. John Maynard Friedman (talk) 17:04, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"City of Milton Keynes"[edit]

I assume that the Council will formally change its name from Borough of Milton Keynes to City of Milton Keynes "in due course". So we had best wait for that to happen and not pre-empt it. In the meantime, would everyone resist the temptation to make make City of Milton Keynes a redirect because doing so will make a simple article move into a complicated one. John Maynard Friedman (talk) 15:04, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

A recent tweet from MK Council states that Today we collected HM The Queen's Letters Patent that officially makes us the City of Milton Keynes. We'll be formally marking our city status later this year. [1] A little confusing because the first part of the statement makes it sound like that the name change has officially happened, but on the other hand, it says that they'll be "marking" the city status later this year. Any thoughts on how this should be interpreted? Anonymous MK2006 (talk) 20:46, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Well the Crown Office statement says merely THE QUEEN has been pleased by Letters Patent under the Great Seal of the Realm dated 15 August 2022 to ordain that the Borough of Milton Keynes shall have the status of a City. so it is for the Council (councillors, not officers) to resolve how the UA should be named (within the law: a district can't just declare itself a borough, a borough can't just declare itself a city). So I assume we have to wait until the full Council reconvenes. Of course I don't actually know this, just that "it stands to reason" [famous last words number three]. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 22:27, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Update: it looks as though the Council has finally renamed itself [2], so shall we should proceed to the next steps? Anonymous MK2006 (talk) 14:49, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'd have preferred to see an explicit resolution of the Council but I don't see it as essential. So, as you spotted it first, you get the honours of moving this article to City of Milton Keynes and the Council article to Milton Keynes City Council. With acclamation. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 15:07, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have put in a request that Milton Keynes Council be moved to Milton Keynes City Council. It needs an administrator because the name is already in use (as a redirect to the Borough article, so doubly wrong). --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 22:23, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Still a borough too?[edit]

I see the infobox has City and Borough. Is this accurate? I have no idea what the law is but it seems strange? --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 19:32, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

JMF, I'm as befuddled as you are. The articles for Southend-on-Sea and City of Canterbury state that, as well as cities, they are also boroughs. On the contrary, the City of Carlisle article simply states that it is a city and non-metropolitan district. I guess more research is needed, but regardless, the govt have put is an awkward situation in that we're dealing with a city called "Milton Keynes" which administratively includes a rural area significantly larger that the core urban area. So whether we should call the UA a city or a borough, depends on conclusions we can make from research. Anonymous MK2006 (talk) 11:26, 3 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Crouch, Swale:, any advice? --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 11:52, 3 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@John Maynard Friedman: All districts with city status hold borough status but not all cities are districts with borough status such as with Wells and Chichester the civil parish holding the status and with Bath its the charter trustees for the former borough with city status. Crouch, Swale (talk) 16:02, 3 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
So in the case of MK (the U), it was and still is a Borough so we can continue use "Borough" rather than the awkward "Unitary Authority area". Phew! --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 16:28, 3 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It should state that the district has unitary status still though. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:05, 3 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Photography project for the year, everyone[edit]

I notice that Grade II* listed buildings in the Borough of Milton Keynes has quite a few entries with no illustrations. So let's get out there and get snapping, to see if we can fill in some of the gaps. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 19:12, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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