Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of General Slocum victims

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The result of the debate was delete. Joyous 20:05, Feb 19, 2005 (UTC)

List of General Slocum victims[edit]

Not notable; no contextual information or links Brookie 09:51, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Delete, no context, potential for a fork. Wyss 11:07, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Delete, another useless trivial list. Megan1967 01:09, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Keep. I've added the context. Someone reading the article on the General Slocum disaster might find it interesting to have the list of names available, but it would clutter the main article. JamesMLane 16:03, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Thank you for adding the necessary context. I am still inclined to vote delete because Wikipedia is not a memorial. The discussion at the main article is excellent. The list of people who died adds nothing to an encyclopedia. An alternative might be to transwiki this list to Wikisource. Yes, I realize I am suggesting an approach that is inconsistent with, for example, the list of Sep 11 victims but we have to take these nominations one at a time. Rossami (talk) 17:25, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Delete if delete references to 9/11 victims. lets not be temporalcentric. Just because you didnt see it on TV doesnt mean it not important --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 16:21, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Delete. I agree with Rossami that this should be deleted because it's a memorial. I'm not quite sure what useful purpose this list would serve. Carrp | Talk 17:37, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Keep it's not a memorial, it's a list. See for example Columbine High School massacre#Victims. Individual articles on the victims would be memorials unless they were otherwise notable. Although, I would actually find such memorial articles an interesting window into a bygone era. But at any rate, I think the list is a useful addition since a quick scan of it gives a feel for the sex, age, & ethnic distribution of the victims. Wolfman 04:00, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Delete, but... if this is not elsewhere on line, let's find it a home (maybe Wikisource?). If it is elsewhere on line then link to that from General Slocum. I would not favor a deletion if it means that this material would not be on line anywhere. (Also, it needs a clearer citation. The name of a newspaper, without a date, is a poor citation.) -- Jmabel | Talk 06:49, Feb 16, 2005 (UTC)
Delete. It is either a memorial or a copy of primary source material. Either way, not encyclclopedic. I'm going to check the article with the 9/11 victim's names, and if it hasn't already been through VfD, I will submit it, by the same logic. (Further note: the list of WTC victims has been moved to a special memorial site: sep11.wikipedia.org. There are still lists of the Pentagon victims and the passengers on the planes.) --BM 19:06, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- 9/11, general slocum, and columbine victims should be treated the same. but if you don't want them here, they should be wikisourced - not deleted. Wolfman 19:42, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- I don't have a problem with them being transwiki'd to Wikisource, provided we can correctly cite the source, and someone verifies the text against the source. But, by the way, what is the source for this list? --BM 22:42, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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