Talk:Barbary macaque

Move to Barbary Macaque?

• Support: Although "Barbary Ape" is common, it is also misleading; They are not apes, but macaques. Barbary Ape should of course redirect to this article, and noted as an alternate name in the text. Tom Radulovich 23:23, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
• support - I'm good with this. But please put move requests only on the talk and not on the article itself. - UtherSRG (talk) 00:08, August 15, 2005 (UTC)
• weak oppose. "Barbary ape" returns twice the number of google hits; use the most common name. Eugene van der Pijll 20:19, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

  Sometimes, this is not a good thing. It would be better to be correct and in the minority, than wrong and common. Mammal Species of the World lists this species as "Barbary Macaque", and it is the leading authority on mammals. The Primate section was written by Colin Groves, one of the leading authorities on primates. Should we choose Google over an actual primatologist? - UtherSRG (talk) 20:50, August 15, 2005 (UTC)

  That's basically what "Most common" seems to mean: not at the most correct name, according to the specialists; but at the name that is most often used. BTW, the OED 1st ed., one of the leading authorities on the English language, only has "barbary ape". Eugene van der Pijll 21:13, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Naming conventions (common names) offers the caveat: "In cases where the common name of a subject is misleading (For example: "tidal wave" would be a misleading title since these phenomena have nothing to do with tides), then it is sometimes reasonable to fall back on a well-accepted alternative (tsunami, for example)." This is one of these instances. Tom Radulovich 05:33, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

• Support --Yath 19:52, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

This article has been renamed after the result of a move request. Dragons flight 07:30, August 21, 2005 (UTC)

Just Curious

What they eat during winter?--Menah the Great 01:34, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Appearance

the monkey's size as stated in this article (6,5m, 10ft, or whatever) is absolutely, incredibly wrong! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.23.5.93 (talk) 12:37, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Fixed (before you even finished your comment). - UtherSRG (talk) 14:27, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Monkey Mayhem

Is "monkey mayhem" an accepted term for their forays into town? It ostensibly sounds silly to me. SirGrotius 15:16, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Tunnel to Gibraltar?

I read in a highly unreliable source (a jehovas wittness free booklet, fwiw) that these monkies came to gibraltar through a now lost secret tunnel connecting gibraltar and africa. Is there any reliable source that can corroborate that this story exists, and is sufficiently well known to merit mention in the articel. -- 82.181.254.50 (talk) 14:59, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

I most seriously doubt it. More likely is that they took advantage of one or more periods when there was a dry-land connection between Morocco and Spain, and the Mediterranean was a series of disconnected lakes. AnonMoos (talk) 23:45, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

However, there's something about the story at Gibraltar_Barbary_Macaques#Myth. -- AnonMoos (talk) 23:53, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

A tunnel, that sounds less likely than them walking over before Hercules seperated the Pillars. Do this modern day fountains of myth have any explanations for why there was a skull of one in Ireland? A tunnel to Avalon and a quick boat ride maybe? Or maybe it was a Jesus monkey and walked. Do you have any actual sources for these popular beliefs? Cheap tourist book or something? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.137.207.191 (talk) 17:43, 3 April 2008 (UTC) lieve unresolved.

The myth was well known when I lived in Gib in the 1970s, but was known to be a myth. Most versions suggested the tunnel led into Ms Michael's cave. But I do not have a printed source. Whether they walked over the land bridge or were brought over by humans is I believe unresolved. 80.6.99.67 (talk) 20:07, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

Killer Dolphins

I have posted a long comment in the Talk section of the main Macaque genus article, about the renaming of all the macaque species articles to "[Name] Macaque" (e.g. "Barbary Macaque") from their traditionally names (e.g. Barbary Ape).

Would you please take a look at that here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Macaque#Killer_Dolphins

And then correct this individual species article.

Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.180.30.135 (talk) 12:12, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Peer Review

This article is very well written and organized. The separate section headers are very clear and helpful in presenting information. I've only made a few small changes in sentence structure. Many of your sentences are long and wordy, so I've shortened some or switched things around so it's easier to understand. Njoymusic2 (talk) 23:27, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

For this article, I made some slight alterations to the writing style, editing for clarity proper grammar. I changed some sentences that were slightly unwieldy, shortening them to make the article flow better. I also revised/rewrote the opening of the article, as it was unclear and seemed to be somewhat confused. I noted numerous places where citations would be beneficial.

I would suggest further discussion of the animal’s appearance. Do the different sexes have any distinguishing characteristics? How does morphology change over time? I would also expand on the information provided about smiles and the skull of the Barbary macaque discovered in Northern Ireland or remove these entirely as they are very much out of place at this time. Also, several sections not pertaining to behavior are in drastic need of expansion. This article is off to a good start though.

--Cobiorower (talk) 03:18, 27 November 2012 (UTC)cobiorower

The sentence about male ejaculation in the mating section needs clarification, since it may refer to anything from frequency of copulation to volume of ejaculate. Also, the section on environmental impact is pretty confusing. I don't think it clearly established a link between bark chewing behavior, the health of the forest, and water availability. Overall it's pretty good though. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gabriel.hassler (talk • contribs) 03:53, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Barbary macaque/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Sasata (talk · contribs) 15:26, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

I'll review this article (again). I'd like to ensure that there will be someone willing to make fixes and changes before I post a full review. Any takers? Sasata (talk) 15:26, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

I've not been involved with it before but sure, I'll help out as best as I can. Prioryman (talk) 21:29, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

Excellent! Will post my review in the next few days. Sasata (talk) 16:50, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Comments

• I think the article needs more work to meet the "broad coverage" requirement of WP:WIAGA

    Could you be more specific about what you think is necessary to meet this requirement? Have the responses to your other comments fulfilled that reuqirement? Andrewkamel (talk) 04:34, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

• I've added some more citation needed tags to unsourced statements
• the lead is too short and does not currently serve as a good summary of the article's contents

  *expanded the lead to better reflect topics covered in the articles main body Andrewkamel (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 03:39, 27 September 2013 (UTC) 

• what is its size range and weight range for males and females (more useful than just maximums)? Tail length? Expected lifespan?

** This data was just added by my fellow article editors. The information can be found in the lead and the Physical Description section Claire.Edelman (talk) 04:15, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

• add imperial convert for elevation
  • Done. --Gibmetal 77^{talk 2 me} 20:18, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
• ecology section seems quite short on details compared on other sources, such as the IUCN summary or the NHM

 **I added information about ecology and divided the section into Habitat, Diet, and Predators Claire.Edelman (talk) 05:25, 26 September 2013 (UTC) 

• where is the taxonomy section? Who described the species and when? Does it have any synonyms? Has there been and phylogenetic (or molecular) analysis that have compared its relationships with other primates?

  *A taxonomy section was added by Liu.alexander and includes info about primate relationships. Andrewkamel (talk) 04:28, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

• any fossil finds of the species? Any info about its evolutionary history?

  *There doesn't appear to be much useful research into the fossil record specific to Barbary macaques. Most of the literature speaks more broadly of macaques and the information I came across doesnt seem appropriate for this article. Andrewkamel (talk) 04:28, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

I am a student at Washington University in St. Louis. I have edited/added to this page answering some of the questions addressed above, unanswered in this article, pertaining to physical aspects and taxonomy. One note, the Barbary Macaque does indeed possess a tail. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Liu.alexander (talk • contribs) 01:21, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Not a lot going on here, will close this review and hope these comments help the next editor who wishes to improve the article. Sasata (talk) 14:45, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

Lead image

The lead image for this article is very good, but perhaps not appropriate as the lead image. For example, it does not show the whole body, and does not show they are tail-less. I propose it be replaced with one of these below. The original image is good and could easily be placed in the "social behaviour" section.

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  Not really an option - but very cute!

DrChrissy ^(talk) 20:39, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

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